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It's even more insidious, because even if you like Tesla, your car may get scratched by people who don't like Tesla. But yeah, perhaps telling allies in Europe

by rvnx 2y ago

It's even more insidious, because even if you like Tesla, your car may get scratched by people who don't like Tesla. But yeah, perhaps telling allies in Europe to get fucked, and tell our friends that the US was embracing the idea to economically attack Canada and potentially militarily Denmark, supporting the idea that the US deserves to get a piece of Ukraine together with Russia, weren't probably the smartest moves among millions of other things. I like Tesla as a product though (except the finish quality), but it's even less likely that FSD will come in Europe now... And now, more oddly, it is a remotely controlled video and microphone, so even more creepy seeing the personalities of the people behind.

throwpoaster 2y ago
There’s been no talk of military attacks against Canada and Greenland/Denmark to my knowledge (as a Canadian). Do you have a link?
- bdcravens 2y ago
  While it's not exactly a military declaration, Trump said during the joint session to Congress, "One way or the other, we’re going to get it" in reference to Greenland.
  - rvnx 2y ago
    https://www.npr.org/2025/03/30/nx-s1-5344942/trump-military-force-not-off-the-table-for-greenland https://www.npr.org/2025/03/30/nx-s1-5344942/trump-military-... and now openly talks about military force
- rvnx 2y ago
  To be fair (I edited), he mentioned annexation through economic pressure, it's the overall feeling "whatever it takes". https://theconversation.com/an-american-military-invasion-of-canada-no-longer-unthinkable-but-highly-unlikely-251959 https://theconversation.com/an-american-military-invasion-of... https://www.gzeromedia.com/gzero-north/does-canada-need-to-prepare-for-a-us-attack https://www.gzeromedia.com/gzero-north/does-canada-need-to-p... https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/rubio-says-g7-wont-discuss-us-takeover-canada-2025-03-12/ https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/rubio-says-g7-wont-di... https://www.defensenews.com/global/the-americas/2025/03/20/facing-trumps-threats-canada-shifts-defense-links-away-from-us/ https://www.defensenews.com/global/the-americas/2025/03/20/f... It's very unlikely, but even the fact that they mention it as a possibility feels just crazy to me. You don't have to worry if you live in Canada though, I think this is just politicians trolling. I just find the rhetoric to be a bit obscene (82% of Canadians are against it according to a recent poll!), but this is a question of perspective. Also, some impact (like the additional taxes / tariffs during imports) are real, not just a joke.
  - archagon 2y ago
    I don’t think any of this is “just politicians trolling.” Trump would absolutely attack Canada if he thought he could get away with annexing it.
    - AlecSchueler 2y ago
      He's always just joking until he isn't.
- querez 2y ago
  So, with regard to Greenland, he specifically refused to rule out military action [0]. Which in diplomatic protocols comes very darn close to threatening a military attacks. As far as Canada goes, Trump's national security advisors is on the record [4] saying he doesn't think there's any plans about this. Which is also an extremely uncertain way of talking about military action about your closest neighbor. Trump has repeatedly talked about making Canada the 51st state [1], and called Trudeau a "Governor" [2]. Here's a New York time article summing up the types of threats/attacks Trump made wrt. Canada[3]. [0] https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-offshore-drilling-gulf-of-america-fa66f8d072eb39c00a8128a8941ede75 https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-offshore-drilling-gul... [1] https://apnews.com/article/how-canada-could-become-us-state-42360e10ded96c0046fd11eaaf55ab88 https://apnews.com/article/how-canada-could-become-us-state-... [2] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-mocks-prime-minister-justin-trudeau-governor-great-state-canada-rcna183570 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-mocks-pr... [3] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/11/us/politics/canada-trump-statehood-attacks.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/11/us/politics/canada-trump-... [4] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-national-security-adviser-no-plans-invade-canada-waltz-rcna191374 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-national...
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  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > he specifically refused to rule out military action Donald Trump has specifically ruled out a lot of things that he then promptly did. He's also followed through enough that his threats have to be taken seriously. As a result, you get a hodgepodge of half-assed threats, each of which can be plausibly denied until followed through on, at which point you're asked how you didn't see him doing the thing he said he would do.
- Hikikomori 2y ago
  "one way or another" He wants to buy it, but what happens when Denmark refuses. He also asked the Pentagon to draw up plans for Panama.
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tmaly 2y ago
Tesla employs a lot of Americans, so this is going to hurt them, not just Elon.
- mostlysimilar 2y ago
  This is a direct response to thousands of Americans being fired from their jobs by Elon's actions, with thousands more threatened and likely to lose their jobs in the future. I don't think "think of the jobs" is the right way to convince people this is a bad move.
- skygazer 2y ago
  Employees have had fair warning, and years of advanced notice. Not a one has illusions about his character. They either relish it, or are looking for new opportunities at this point.
- guelo 2y ago
  Elon has fired way more people than he employs.
ZeroTalent 2y ago
I don't think true FSD is possible without lidar.
- ben_w 2y ago
  Eventually it must be possible, because humans don't come with LIDAR. But "eventually" can be a long way off. Dunno how far we are from a pure-vision model that is simultaneously good enough for FSD and fits into the power envelope available to a car. And even then, it feels like an unnecessary handicap to skimp on more sensor modalities.
  - HPMOR 2y ago
    Humans are bad at driving. I do not want an automated system to be a substitute, I want it to be vastly superior and safer. 40,000 people die each year in car accidents in the United States. I expect an autonomous system to be ZERO deaths a year. Getting there will absolutely require more robust systems than what humans come equipped with.
    - eric_cc 2y ago
      Humans rely on two eyes and only look one direction at a time. Even the current Tesla Vision sees much more at once than a human is capable of. Also I agree we should aim for zero deaths. But any improvement is better than no improvement.
      - raducu 2y ago
        There's plenty of videos on youtube of what a little fog does to tesla vs any other radar auto-brake system. My favorite is where they painted a cardboard wall to match the road, Coyote and Roadrunner style and Tesla was the only car to smash into it. Put a radar/lidar already into the Tesla! Why not make it an amazing car, just because Elon is a narccisistic/sociopatic asshole? I swear Elon is his own greatest enemy.
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by rvnx 2y ago

throwpoaster 2y ago

There’s been no talk of military attacks against Canada and Greenland/Denmark to my knowledge (as a Canadian). Do you have a link?

bdcravens 2y ago
While it's not exactly a military declaration, Trump said during the joint session to Congress, "One way or the other, we’re going to get it" in reference to Greenland.
- rvnx 2y ago
  https://www.npr.org/2025/03/30/nx-s1-5344942/trump-military-force-not-off-the-table-for-greenland https://www.npr.org/2025/03/30/nx-s1-5344942/trump-military-... and now openly talks about military force
rvnx 2y ago
To be fair (I edited), he mentioned annexation through economic pressure, it's the overall feeling "whatever it takes". https://theconversation.com/an-american-military-invasion-of-canada-no-longer-unthinkable-but-highly-unlikely-251959 https://theconversation.com/an-american-military-invasion-of... https://www.gzeromedia.com/gzero-north/does-canada-need-to-prepare-for-a-us-attack https://www.gzeromedia.com/gzero-north/does-canada-need-to-p... https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/rubio-says-g7-wont-discuss-us-takeover-canada-2025-03-12/ https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/rubio-says-g7-wont-di... https://www.defensenews.com/global/the-americas/2025/03/20/facing-trumps-threats-canada-shifts-defense-links-away-from-us/ https://www.defensenews.com/global/the-americas/2025/03/20/f... It's very unlikely, but even the fact that they mention it as a possibility feels just crazy to me. You don't have to worry if you live in Canada though, I think this is just politicians trolling. I just find the rhetoric to be a bit obscene (82% of Canadians are against it according to a recent poll!), but this is a question of perspective. Also, some impact (like the additional taxes / tariffs during imports) are real, not just a joke.
- archagon 2y ago
  I don’t think any of this is “just politicians trolling.” Trump would absolutely attack Canada if he thought he could get away with annexing it.
  - AlecSchueler 2y ago
    He's always just joking until he isn't.
querez 2y ago
So, with regard to Greenland, he specifically refused to rule out military action [0]. Which in diplomatic protocols comes very darn close to threatening a military attacks. As far as Canada goes, Trump's national security advisors is on the record [4] saying he doesn't think there's any plans about this. Which is also an extremely uncertain way of talking about military action about your closest neighbor. Trump has repeatedly talked about making Canada the 51st state [1], and called Trudeau a "Governor" [2]. Here's a New York time article summing up the types of threats/attacks Trump made wrt. Canada[3]. [0] https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-offshore-drilling-gulf-of-america-fa66f8d072eb39c00a8128a8941ede75 https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-offshore-drilling-gul... [1] https://apnews.com/article/how-canada-could-become-us-state-42360e10ded96c0046fd11eaaf55ab88 https://apnews.com/article/how-canada-could-become-us-state-... [2] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-mocks-prime-minister-justin-trudeau-governor-great-state-canada-rcna183570 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-mocks-pr... [3] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/11/us/politics/canada-trump-statehood-attacks.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/11/us/politics/canada-trump-... [4] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-national-security-adviser-no-plans-invade-canada-waltz-rcna191374 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-national...
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- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > he specifically refused to rule out military action Donald Trump has specifically ruled out a lot of things that he then promptly did. He's also followed through enough that his threats have to be taken seriously. As a result, you get a hodgepodge of half-assed threats, each of which can be plausibly denied until followed through on, at which point you're asked how you didn't see him doing the thing he said he would do.
Hikikomori 2y ago
"one way or another" He wants to buy it, but what happens when Denmark refuses. He also asked the Pentagon to draw up plans for Panama.

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tmaly 2y ago

Tesla employs a lot of Americans, so this is going to hurt them, not just Elon.

mostlysimilar 2y ago
This is a direct response to thousands of Americans being fired from their jobs by Elon's actions, with thousands more threatened and likely to lose their jobs in the future. I don't think "think of the jobs" is the right way to convince people this is a bad move.
skygazer 2y ago
Employees have had fair warning, and years of advanced notice. Not a one has illusions about his character. They either relish it, or are looking for new opportunities at this point.
guelo 2y ago
Elon has fired way more people than he employs.

ZeroTalent 2y ago

I don't think true FSD is possible without lidar.

ben_w 2y ago
Eventually it must be possible, because humans don't come with LIDAR. But "eventually" can be a long way off. Dunno how far we are from a pure-vision model that is simultaneously good enough for FSD and fits into the power envelope available to a car. And even then, it feels like an unnecessary handicap to skimp on more sensor modalities.
- HPMOR 2y ago
  Humans are bad at driving. I do not want an automated system to be a substitute, I want it to be vastly superior and safer. 40,000 people die each year in car accidents in the United States. I expect an autonomous system to be ZERO deaths a year. Getting there will absolutely require more robust systems than what humans come equipped with.
  - eric_cc 2y ago
    Humans rely on two eyes and only look one direction at a time. Even the current Tesla Vision sees much more at once than a human is capable of. Also I agree we should aim for zero deaths. But any improvement is better than no improvement.
    - raducu 2y ago
      There's plenty of videos on youtube of what a little fog does to tesla vs any other radar auto-brake system. My favorite is where they painted a cardboard wall to match the road, Coyote and Roadrunner style and Tesla was the only car to smash into it. Put a radar/lidar already into the Tesla! Why not make it an amazing car, just because Elon is a narccisistic/sociopatic asshole? I swear Elon is his own greatest enemy.
      - 2y ago