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I liked a comment by Sarah C. Paine, about how Communism is a really great system for taking power from within a state (think Mao), and then staying in power, b

by dmos62 2y ago

I liked a comment by Sarah C. Paine, about how Communism is a really great system for taking power from within a state (think Mao), and then staying in power, but it's horrible for generating prosperity. When evaluating the choices of certain people, it's clarifying to not think in terms of prosperity, but, rather, power. I think there's a case to be made about Trump seeing advantage in making enemies of his political rivals' allies, and then there's that whole weird situation about making Russia-favoring decisions, who knows why.

epolanski 2y ago
The same Sarah Paine that speaks about how China lifted 1B+ people out of poverty and created tens of millions of millionaires?
- bufferoverflow 2y ago
  Largely after abandoning damaging communist ideas and allowing private business to exist. China is no longer communist, it's this weird hybrid of capitalism with heavy government controls and heavy censorship.
  - GardenLetter27 2y ago
    In some areas China is even becoming more liberal than the EU. Look at DeepSeek.
  - navigate8310 2y ago
    Which is owned by the Government
  - flohofwoe 2y ago
    > China is no longer communist, it's this weird hybrid of capitalism with heavy government controls and heavy censorship. I think the established term is 'state capitalism'.
  - croissants 2y ago
    Yeah, The Economist regularly writes these articles that spend half the time praising the intense competition in certain sectors of the economy and half the time bemoaning the influence of state-owned enterprises (or other CCP instruments) in others. It seems to vary a lot by specific industry.
  - dmos62 2y ago
    In my mind, Communism as exhibited by modern China is more defined by the dictatorship style, than the economy style, not that economy is independent of it. So, I'd consider the chinese communism vs western democracy a more enlightnening contrast.
- dmos62 2y ago
  Sarah C. Paine, the professor of strategy and policy at the U.S. Naval War College. I'm not aware of what you're talking about.
  - epolanski 2y ago
    That was who I was referring to as well.
    - dmos62 2y ago
      I'm not sure what your point was. Are you contesting the numbers she cites?
- ttyprintk 2y ago
  Isnt it objectively true that China is the only country to lift 500m people from poverty? The debate is whether the power to do that needs to come from a single party so powerful it can starve 50m without repercussion.
- HDThoreaun 2y ago
  Which happened immediately after they abandoned the planned economy

by dmos62 2y ago

epolanski 2y ago

The same Sarah Paine that speaks about how China lifted 1B+ people out of poverty and created tens of millions of millionaires?

bufferoverflow 2y ago
Largely after abandoning damaging communist ideas and allowing private business to exist. China is no longer communist, it's this weird hybrid of capitalism with heavy government controls and heavy censorship.
- GardenLetter27 2y ago
  In some areas China is even becoming more liberal than the EU. Look at DeepSeek.
- navigate8310 2y ago
  Which is owned by the Government
- flohofwoe 2y ago
  > China is no longer communist, it's this weird hybrid of capitalism with heavy government controls and heavy censorship. I think the established term is 'state capitalism'.
- croissants 2y ago
  Yeah, The Economist regularly writes these articles that spend half the time praising the intense competition in certain sectors of the economy and half the time bemoaning the influence of state-owned enterprises (or other CCP instruments) in others. It seems to vary a lot by specific industry.
- dmos62 2y ago
  In my mind, Communism as exhibited by modern China is more defined by the dictatorship style, than the economy style, not that economy is independent of it. So, I'd consider the chinese communism vs western democracy a more enlightnening contrast.
dmos62 2y ago
Sarah C. Paine, the professor of strategy and policy at the U.S. Naval War College. I'm not aware of what you're talking about.
- epolanski 2y ago
  That was who I was referring to as well.
  - dmos62 2y ago
    I'm not sure what your point was. Are you contesting the numbers she cites?
ttyprintk 2y ago
Isnt it objectively true that China is the only country to lift 500m people from poverty? The debate is whether the power to do that needs to come from a single party so powerful it can starve 50m without repercussion.
HDThoreaun 2y ago
Which happened immediately after they abandoned the planned economy