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You answered the question about privacy by complaint about freedom of speech, i.e. injecting some offtopic in conversation, hence the downvotes.

FirmwareBurner 2y ago
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- ivan_gammel 2y ago
  If you want to argue in good faith, you should share some facts instead of sending people to Google. I am closely watching German politics and still have no idea what are you talking about. Maybe my search query is wrong, maybe you are just making this up.
  - smiggels10 2y ago
    You can express your opinion about everything and everybody, including politicians, in public as much as you want in germany. But first paragraph in the german constitution is about human dignity ("Menschenwürde"), not freedom of speech. Which means, that when you insult somebody in public, it can happen that the affected person might sue you, and that a court might judge that you hurt the person's dignity. The consequence might be, that you have to pay a fee. Recently there were cases of police operations at the homes of people who where accused of insulting a politician. Those operations where heavily criticized in the german public and followed by a court rouling, that judged that the police overreacted in those cases. Somehow, in certain circles, this whole story gets shortened to "If you criticize the government in germany, your home gets raided by the police".
    - ivan_gammel 2y ago
      > Somehow, in certain circles, this whole story gets shortened to "If you criticize the government in germany, your home gets raided by the police". If this is it, I couldn’t say better, thank you. I heard about those cases, but apparently do not belong to those circles to connect the dots.
  - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
    If you insist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bMzFDpfDwc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bMzFDpfDwc It was pretty heavily debated on r/DE. https://www.reddit.com/r/de/comments/1is8a7l/germany_is_prosecuting_online_trolls_heres_how/ https://www.reddit.com/r/de/comments/1is8a7l/germany_is_pros... Please tell me how you think this "protect one's honor" law doesn't get abused. Also, an youtuber from my country made a video during the pandemic exposing the mistreatment of seasonal fruit picking workers from my country working in Germany, and the video got blocked in Germany by Youtube, most likely on request by flagging. So do do you expect to learn about censorship of German media if you follow German media which is subject to censorship? Do you realize the irony of it all? Did you ever expect for German media to go out and say "here's how we're censoring you"? Germans are living in Plato's cave allegory and are irate when people call them out for it.
    - ivan_gammel 2y ago
      > So do do you expect to learn about censorship of German media if you follow German media which is subject to censorship? I‘m used to work with various sources of information professionally and don’t get breaking news from Reddit. Free media do not exist. They all have certain alignments or views, they are all censored by governments etc. Russia just pushes news agenda from the top, America works in more subtle ways, through denial of access (I‘m complicit here), in Germany that’s mostly lawyers, publishers with agenda and (surprise!) privacy laws. Nevertheless it is still possible to stay updated and extract a lot of information even from censored media, sometimes reading between the lines. Overall I think German media do enjoy a lot of freedom. I still do not understand how is this related to privacy. Yes, in democracy all things are important and connected. But the original claim was that somehow we have a problem with it. What is the problem?
- Apocryphon 2y ago
  the Apple App Store / walled garden For the inverse, X / Twitter

FirmwareBurner 2y ago

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ivan_gammel 2y ago
If you want to argue in good faith, you should share some facts instead of sending people to Google. I am closely watching German politics and still have no idea what are you talking about. Maybe my search query is wrong, maybe you are just making this up.
- smiggels10 2y ago
  You can express your opinion about everything and everybody, including politicians, in public as much as you want in germany. But first paragraph in the german constitution is about human dignity ("Menschenwürde"), not freedom of speech. Which means, that when you insult somebody in public, it can happen that the affected person might sue you, and that a court might judge that you hurt the person's dignity. The consequence might be, that you have to pay a fee. Recently there were cases of police operations at the homes of people who where accused of insulting a politician. Those operations where heavily criticized in the german public and followed by a court rouling, that judged that the police overreacted in those cases. Somehow, in certain circles, this whole story gets shortened to "If you criticize the government in germany, your home gets raided by the police".
  - ivan_gammel 2y ago
    > Somehow, in certain circles, this whole story gets shortened to "If you criticize the government in germany, your home gets raided by the police". If this is it, I couldn’t say better, thank you. I heard about those cases, but apparently do not belong to those circles to connect the dots.
- FirmwareBurner 2y ago
  If you insist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bMzFDpfDwc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bMzFDpfDwc It was pretty heavily debated on r/DE. https://www.reddit.com/r/de/comments/1is8a7l/germany_is_prosecuting_online_trolls_heres_how/ https://www.reddit.com/r/de/comments/1is8a7l/germany_is_pros... Please tell me how you think this "protect one's honor" law doesn't get abused. Also, an youtuber from my country made a video during the pandemic exposing the mistreatment of seasonal fruit picking workers from my country working in Germany, and the video got blocked in Germany by Youtube, most likely on request by flagging. So do do you expect to learn about censorship of German media if you follow German media which is subject to censorship? Do you realize the irony of it all? Did you ever expect for German media to go out and say "here's how we're censoring you"? Germans are living in Plato's cave allegory and are irate when people call them out for it.
  - ivan_gammel 2y ago
    > So do do you expect to learn about censorship of German media if you follow German media which is subject to censorship? I‘m used to work with various sources of information professionally and don’t get breaking news from Reddit. Free media do not exist. They all have certain alignments or views, they are all censored by governments etc. Russia just pushes news agenda from the top, America works in more subtle ways, through denial of access (I‘m complicit here), in Germany that’s mostly lawyers, publishers with agenda and (surprise!) privacy laws. Nevertheless it is still possible to stay updated and extract a lot of information even from censored media, sometimes reading between the lines. Overall I think German media do enjoy a lot of freedom. I still do not understand how is this related to privacy. Yes, in democracy all things are important and connected. But the original claim was that somehow we have a problem with it. What is the problem?
Apocryphon 2y ago
the Apple App Store / walled garden For the inverse, X / Twitter