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This is missing the point. Everything they offer is storage, VPS, Load balancer, one managed key-value store and two managed databases. For the price a little h

This is missing the point. Everything they offer is storage, VPS, Load balancer, one managed key-value store and two managed databases. For the price a little higher than, say, Digital Ocean. But where is managed cache, message broker, e-mail service. It is not enough to be European, they need to offer something competitive. I guess they can win some clients, given current hostility of Europe against Trump, but what if in two years Trump will be off the news, people would not care anymore about being anti_USA or what if in 4 year Dems will figure out why they lost in 2024 and find someone less lame, who will win election, whom Europe will like again?

jajko 2y ago
The changes happening in US are not going anywhere, and they haven't even properly started with them. Nobody knows the future but one thing is clear and set in stone - trust has been broken. If you have any life or relationship experience, you know trust is always hard to build and easy to lose. Its extremely hard and lengthy to build again once it has been shattered (which it has been already). Stab in the back is remembered for decades, spit in the face even more. Quadruple that for matters of national security.
- perks_12 2y ago
  > trust has been broken By what? Tariffs? We have known about NSA spyops for more than a decade now, with actual impact on our tech. Nobody cares. But now that trump is in office, we suddenly have an issue with the US? Ridiculous.
  - palata 2y ago
    > We have known about NSA spyops for more than a decade now, with actual impact on our tech. Nobody cares. Nobody cares, because nobody really understands the consequences. But now it's different. The US are threatening to invade and annex territories. Everybody understands what that means.
  - jajko 2y ago
    No, by arbitrarily shutting down US military hardware on bipolar whims of a single person. You know, ie F'35s costing tens of billions becoming useless in real war very quickly. If a country can't protect its airspace its game over. Or by throwing whole Ukraine under the bus. Or by stating US won't protect NATO allies if they don't contribute 2,3,5% or whatever is the current number du jour. Or invading its closest allies... how fucked up is that, tell it to anybody a decade ago and you would get laughed at for being a conspiracy crank. NSA findings are an afterthought in all this, we talk about existential threats with literal sworn enemy at our doors right now willing to capture, murder and steal all it can and stating it semi-constantly.
- seper8 2y ago
  We have a saying in Dutch. Trust leaves on horseback but comes back on foot.
Snoddas 2y ago
The trust is gone. Even if the dems win the next election, we now know that the US isn't stable enough to handle one rouge president. With the massive cost of shifting infrastructure, those scared away by the current US administration is mostly gone for good.
sofixa 2y ago
> Everything they offer is storage, VPS, Load balancer, one managed key-value store and two managed databases. For the price a little higher than, say, Digital Ocean. But where is managed cache, message broker, e-mail service. It is not enough to be European, they need to offer something competitive And don't forget managed Kubernetes. You can get pretty far with the services they provide and the Kubernetes ecosystem. For a more complete offering, check out Scaleway - French, regions in a couple of locations, and a wide array of services, up to e-mail service, message broker, quantum computers, AI inference.
- snorremd 2y ago
  Scaleway is indeed the closest thing we have to AWS, Google Cloud and Azure by a European company. They are fast building out a comprehensive managed cloud with IAM, managed databases, containers, etc. I do hope they succeed. I've only used them for hobby projects, so my experience is limited to lighter workloads. But the UI is pretty good, and they have APIs and CLI for all operations.
palata 2y ago
> given current hostility of Europe against Trump This is akin to Trump talking about the hostility of Ukraine against Russia. The US are the bullies here, not the other way round. > but what if in two years Trump will be off the news, people would not care anymore about being anti_USA Time will tell, but this is the first time in the life of all living Europeans that the US threatens them militarily. And many US citizens not only seem to not care, but they seem to find it okay (and even say that the Europeans are the ones being hostile to the US). IMO, something has been broken this time. Europeans see the US as a national security concern. At this speed, this feeling will just get stronger in the next two years, and honestly I am not convinced that any results in two years could "just repair the damage" immediately. The trust has been broken now, it will take time to come back (assuming the US do come back from this).
- ivan_gammel 2y ago
  I don’t think it will ever come back. EU and USA are different ideologically, if we look beyond the naive notion of democracy. It’s social market economy/social democracy vs libertarian capitalism. A lot of differences, even in how our cities are designed. Europe may liberalize a bit, but I cannot imagine America having universal healthcare or abandoning suburbs. This sets us apart and with ongoing ideological polarization those differences will be exploited and amplified by the people like JD.
  - chgs 2y ago
    The big questions are how the U.K. and Canada go.
Havoc 2y ago
>current hostility of Europe against Trump Seriously?

jajko 2y ago

The changes happening in US are not going anywhere, and they haven't even properly started with them. Nobody knows the future but one thing is clear and set in stone - trust has been broken. If you have any life or relationship experience, you know trust is always hard to build and easy to lose. Its extremely hard and lengthy to build again once it has been shattered (which it has been already). Stab in the back is remembered for decades, spit in the face even more. Quadruple that for matters of national security.

perks_12 2y ago
> trust has been broken By what? Tariffs? We have known about NSA spyops for more than a decade now, with actual impact on our tech. Nobody cares. But now that trump is in office, we suddenly have an issue with the US? Ridiculous.
- palata 2y ago
  > We have known about NSA spyops for more than a decade now, with actual impact on our tech. Nobody cares. Nobody cares, because nobody really understands the consequences. But now it's different. The US are threatening to invade and annex territories. Everybody understands what that means.
- jajko 2y ago
  No, by arbitrarily shutting down US military hardware on bipolar whims of a single person. You know, ie F'35s costing tens of billions becoming useless in real war very quickly. If a country can't protect its airspace its game over. Or by throwing whole Ukraine under the bus. Or by stating US won't protect NATO allies if they don't contribute 2,3,5% or whatever is the current number du jour. Or invading its closest allies... how fucked up is that, tell it to anybody a decade ago and you would get laughed at for being a conspiracy crank. NSA findings are an afterthought in all this, we talk about existential threats with literal sworn enemy at our doors right now willing to capture, murder and steal all it can and stating it semi-constantly.
seper8 2y ago
We have a saying in Dutch. Trust leaves on horseback but comes back on foot.

Snoddas 2y ago

The trust is gone. Even if the dems win the next election, we now know that the US isn't stable enough to handle one rouge president. With the massive cost of shifting infrastructure, those scared away by the current US administration is mostly gone for good.

sofixa 2y ago

> Everything they offer is storage, VPS, Load balancer, one managed key-value store and two managed databases. For the price a little higher than, say, Digital Ocean. But where is managed cache, message broker, e-mail service. It is not enough to be European, they need to offer something competitive And don't forget managed Kubernetes. You can get pretty far with the services they provide and the Kubernetes ecosystem. For a more complete offering, check out Scaleway - French, regions in a couple of locations, and a wide array of services, up to e-mail service, message broker, quantum computers, AI inference.

snorremd 2y ago
Scaleway is indeed the closest thing we have to AWS, Google Cloud and Azure by a European company. They are fast building out a comprehensive managed cloud with IAM, managed databases, containers, etc. I do hope they succeed. I've only used them for hobby projects, so my experience is limited to lighter workloads. But the UI is pretty good, and they have APIs and CLI for all operations.

palata 2y ago

> given current hostility of Europe against Trump This is akin to Trump talking about the hostility of Ukraine against Russia. The US are the bullies here, not the other way round. > but what if in two years Trump will be off the news, people would not care anymore about being anti_USA Time will tell, but this is the first time in the life of all living Europeans that the US threatens them militarily. And many US citizens not only seem to not care, but they seem to find it okay (and even say that the Europeans are the ones being hostile to the US). IMO, something has been broken this time. Europeans see the US as a national security concern. At this speed, this feeling will just get stronger in the next two years, and honestly I am not convinced that any results in two years could "just repair the damage" immediately. The trust has been broken now, it will take time to come back (assuming the US do come back from this).

ivan_gammel 2y ago
I don’t think it will ever come back. EU and USA are different ideologically, if we look beyond the naive notion of democracy. It’s social market economy/social democracy vs libertarian capitalism. A lot of differences, even in how our cities are designed. Europe may liberalize a bit, but I cannot imagine America having universal healthcare or abandoning suburbs. This sets us apart and with ongoing ideological polarization those differences will be exploited and amplified by the people like JD.
- chgs 2y ago
  The big questions are how the U.K. and Canada go.

Havoc 2y ago

>current hostility of Europe against Trump Seriously?