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The idea is that you do not install packages, at all. Instead, you would use Flatpak and the like, plus mutable containers (Distrobox or whatever) if needed.

by fuzzy2 2y ago

vaylian 2y ago
This. Installing packages via rpm-ostree is something one can do, but in most cases it should not be necessary. It's more of an escape hatch than an everyday tool. Most additional software will be installed in the user's home directory.
udev4096 2y ago
Flatpak wants to download a gazillion dependencies before the actual package. And even the original package size is huge, compared to apk, deb, rpm, etc. Stop with the bloat. Native package managers are always going to be fast, easy to use and have a minimal size
- akdev1l 2y ago
  > Flatpak wants to download a gazillion dependencies before the actual package Ah yes unlike other package managers that magically make applications not need dependencies.
  - idoubtit 2y ago
    I know this was sarcasm, but my experience is that I download much less with Debian's APT than I did with Flatpak. I can think of two explanations: (1) Debian packages have more shared parts, and (2) they have optional dependencies ("recommends" and "suggests") which I disable by default. Because of (1), there will be many library packages to download, but the overall volume is reduced.
  - masfuerte 2y ago
    Standard Debian packages share their dependencies. Every Flatpak package is a special snowflake with its own dependencies. That's the point of it. But it makes download and install sizes enormous.
    - Timon3 2y ago
      Flatpaks also share dependencies. Usually not quite as much as distro-specific packages, but it's wrong to suggest that each Flatpak ships all dependencies separately.
- MisterTea 2y ago
  > Native package managers are always going to be fast, easy to use and have a minimal size They become necessary when you are dealing with Windows style "applications" that drag in enormous amounts of dependency. I had Libreoffice fall over on Void Linux because of some JVM issue. You think I want to debug a JVM issue in 2020-something to type some text? No thanks - flatpak.

The idea is that you do not install packages, at all. Instead, you would use Flatpak and the like, plus mutable containers (Distrobox or whatever) if needed.

by fuzzy2 2y ago

The idea is that you do not install packages, at all. Instead, you would use Flatpak and the like, plus mutable containers (Distrobox or whatever) if needed.

vaylian 2y ago

This. Installing packages via rpm-ostree is something one can do, but in most cases it should not be necessary. It's more of an escape hatch than an everyday tool. Most additional software will be installed in the user's home directory.

udev4096 2y ago

Flatpak wants to download a gazillion dependencies before the actual package. And even the original package size is huge, compared to apk, deb, rpm, etc. Stop with the bloat. Native package managers are always going to be fast, easy to use and have a minimal size

akdev1l 2y ago
> Flatpak wants to download a gazillion dependencies before the actual package Ah yes unlike other package managers that magically make applications not need dependencies.
- idoubtit 2y ago
  I know this was sarcasm, but my experience is that I download much less with Debian's APT than I did with Flatpak. I can think of two explanations: (1) Debian packages have more shared parts, and (2) they have optional dependencies ("recommends" and "suggests") which I disable by default. Because of (1), there will be many library packages to download, but the overall volume is reduced.
- masfuerte 2y ago
  Standard Debian packages share their dependencies. Every Flatpak package is a special snowflake with its own dependencies. That's the point of it. But it makes download and install sizes enormous.
  - Timon3 2y ago
    Flatpaks also share dependencies. Usually not quite as much as distro-specific packages, but it's wrong to suggest that each Flatpak ships all dependencies separately.
MisterTea 2y ago
> Native package managers are always going to be fast, easy to use and have a minimal size They become necessary when you are dealing with Windows style "applications" that drag in enormous amounts of dependency. I had Libreoffice fall over on Void Linux because of some JVM issue. You think I want to debug a JVM issue in 2020-something to type some text? No thanks - flatpak.