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> But, I figured if we enter a dystopian future, evil health care companies or governments could easily get my DNA if they want to and/or simply require that in

> But, I figured if we enter a dystopian future, evil health care companies or governments could easily get my DNA if they want to and/or simply require that information to get care. Yes, because you gave it to them. Nihilism undermines any sort of resistance movement against evil.

brikym 2y ago
No he didn't but his overly curious aunt Janice gave it to them.
- harvey9 2y ago
  He really did - the post indicates he got an analysis back from 23andme.
vintermann 2y ago
I think it's a mistake to think that the tyrannical governments of the future will be sophisticated. The way the trend is going, they will be ever more banal. They're not going to target a virus for you, they're going to knock down your door, shout at you, lock you up or shoot you. They likely won't even bother with having chatgpt write up a pretext for it. That doesn't mean we can do nothing, but it means withholding information won't matter as much as some people think.
johnnyanmac 2y ago
There's not much resistance to someone wanting your DNA. It's so trivial to get that you'd basically need to become a hermit to try and prevent it. A hermit that shaves themselves and burns their trash, one that lives with gloves on dyrung every waking hour and disinfects their chair and bed daily. It's not really something the mass population can physically prevent from a determined actor. Like data, you need to regulate it instead of take excessive preventative measures.
- jajko 2y ago
  This is a wrong mindset. Just because its technically possible to obtain DNA we should all give it up easily since its already a lost cause? Its one thing if you are specifically targeted for whatever reasons, then yes one is screwed. Another is to have all info and weaknesses automatically available to 'the man' or more 'the men', no need to make things too easy for them and jump ahead in queue.
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    >Just because its technically possible to obtain DNA we should all give it up easily since its already a lost cause? Yes. I'm lazy, and at thaat level of compromised data: it is much easier to disincentivize theft than to worry about theft at every corner. You need to change your approach away from the immediate instincts. >Another is to have all info and weaknesses automatically available to 'the man' or more 'the men' They already have it. Fortuately, we made laws disincentivizing them using that stuff without big reprecussions.
- masfuerte 2y ago
  It's completely different. Sure, someone can specifically target me and get my DNA, but they can't trawl for me in an existing database.
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    >but they can't trawl for me in an existing database. Sure they can. The government obviously can. Otherwise they just buy data from the decade of tracking data left behind. That's the relatively easier part in comparison to targeted DNA gathering.
    - masfuerte 2y ago
      They can't trawl my DNA in an existing database, because I'm not in it and, AFAIK, neither are my relatives.

brikym 2y ago

No he didn't but his overly curious aunt Janice gave it to them.

harvey9 2y ago
He really did - the post indicates he got an analysis back from 23andme.

vintermann 2y ago

I think it's a mistake to think that the tyrannical governments of the future will be sophisticated. The way the trend is going, they will be ever more banal. They're not going to target a virus for you, they're going to knock down your door, shout at you, lock you up or shoot you. They likely won't even bother with having chatgpt write up a pretext for it. That doesn't mean we can do nothing, but it means withholding information won't matter as much as some people think.

johnnyanmac 2y ago

There's not much resistance to someone wanting your DNA. It's so trivial to get that you'd basically need to become a hermit to try and prevent it. A hermit that shaves themselves and burns their trash, one that lives with gloves on dyrung every waking hour and disinfects their chair and bed daily. It's not really something the mass population can physically prevent from a determined actor. Like data, you need to regulate it instead of take excessive preventative measures.

jajko 2y ago
This is a wrong mindset. Just because its technically possible to obtain DNA we should all give it up easily since its already a lost cause? Its one thing if you are specifically targeted for whatever reasons, then yes one is screwed. Another is to have all info and weaknesses automatically available to 'the man' or more 'the men', no need to make things too easy for them and jump ahead in queue.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  >Just because its technically possible to obtain DNA we should all give it up easily since its already a lost cause? Yes. I'm lazy, and at thaat level of compromised data: it is much easier to disincentivize theft than to worry about theft at every corner. You need to change your approach away from the immediate instincts. >Another is to have all info and weaknesses automatically available to 'the man' or more 'the men' They already have it. Fortuately, we made laws disincentivizing them using that stuff without big reprecussions.
masfuerte 2y ago
It's completely different. Sure, someone can specifically target me and get my DNA, but they can't trawl for me in an existing database.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  >but they can't trawl for me in an existing database. Sure they can. The government obviously can. Otherwise they just buy data from the decade of tracking data left behind. That's the relatively easier part in comparison to targeted DNA gathering.
  - masfuerte 2y ago
    They can't trawl my DNA in an existing database, because I'm not in it and, AFAIK, neither are my relatives.