> That wouldn’t be the placebo effect then This is my point! I would argue that a lot, if not most or even all, of what gets called a placebo effect is clearly

> That wouldn’t be the placebo effect then This is my point! I would argue that a lot, if not most or even all, of what gets called a placebo effect is clearly confounded by these obviously-not-placebo-effect-as-defined effects without any distinction, and to me that casts the field into myopic disrepute. > I think what you’re describing is generally called “pain tolerance”. No, I think that's yet another different thing.