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I really don't think it's that complicated. this is just Trump's personal philosophy. he's been saying it for decades. he doesn't think the US should be so invo

I really don't think it's that complicated. this is just Trump's personal philosophy. he's been saying it for decades. he doesn't think the US should be so involved around the world, and he doesn't think the world should be so involved in the US as a European, I’m cautious optimistic about this, especially given headlines like these. Europe should be able to stand on its own

hmmmcurious1 2y ago
Surely he understands the interplay between the usd being the world reserve currency and the importance of allies and military bases set across the world and how this aids US prosperity
- dboreham 2y ago
  Serious question?? Of course he doesn't.
  - permo-w 2y ago
    of course he does but he doesn't care
    - relaxing 2y ago
      what evidence is there?
      - permo-w 2y ago
        it would be impossible for someone in his position not to know that. he would have to be shockingly, droolingly stupid to not know that, and I know it's fashionable to say that Trump's stupid, but he quite obviously isn't. he's not Einstein or Attenborough, but you don't get where he is by chance. what he is is opinionated and narcissistic with a highly unusual, but predictable - and successful - way of operating that people still somehow fail to recognise. if you think he's stupid, he's winning because you're not seeing his real intentions. I will also point out that he's a political obsessive, including when it comes to foreign policy, and it would be once again quite obviously impossible for someone in his position to not know how US foreign policy works. he quite clearly just doesn't care about losing the benefits of world influence and prefers the long term idea of a different system, one where the US is more self-reliant and his businesses have less competition from foreigners. obviously most economists will tell you that that is stupid, and I'd mostly agree, but it's a far far softer kind of stupid than not understanding the incredibly basic central tenet of US foreign policy for the last 80 years.
        relaxing 2y ago
        I don’t think he’s stupid. I do think he doesn’t care to know, and remains ignorant. I ask sincerely, because I would love nothing better: can you point to an interview where he demonstrates any depth or nuance to his foreign policy decisions, that would indicate he pays attention to any of the details we’re discussing? He’s clearly a political obsessive, but that doesn’t guarantee knowledge. Rather I think he operates on a set of brutish principles that appeal to a certain sets of people. To your example, it’s easy to espouse a simple idea like isolationism and obsessively work towards it without understanding the finer implications.
        permo-w 2y ago
        >can you point to an interview where he demonstrates any depth or nuance to his foreign policy decisions, that would indicate he pays attention to any of the details we’re discussing? first of all, I shouldn't have to, because what we're talking about is a surface-level issue that a child could understand, not something deep or nuanced. but anyway, here's one example: a while ago Trump suggested that there's a chance the US won't support NATO in the case of an invasion of a member state. can you yourself analyse the real intention and actual result of this foreign policy decision?
        rat87 2y ago
        He has no idea how US foreign policy works. Or any US policy really. Because he frankly doesn't care. People who try to inform him have talked about how difficult it is to get him to pay attention, that it requires cutting it very short and throwing lots of colorful pictures. It's not a secret in Washington. You say he's a political obsessive but he pays more attention to various fox news rants (which are often conspiratorial) then to well sourced briefings. He's smart at scams and self promotion, anything else he's intellectually lazy about. He cares a lot about influence at least while he's in charge but he undervalues or ignores soft power and just tries to bully allies.
- TrapLord_Rhodo 2y ago
  serious question... How does that not help? The USD is a stable currency because we have f35's and the most powerful military in the world. How does Germany spending over the next 10 years, what we spend a year change that? Our ally is stronger because trump has been pressuring europe to invest more in military, why does that not increase our military capability now that our allies are a bit stronger?
  - tobias3 2y ago
    Previously we were spending on US weapons. E.g. F-35 or Patriots. We might phase that out. Your allies might not help you with the next Afghanistan. Germanies foreign reserves are nearly all treasuries. We might (naturally) diversify away. By taking on a large amount of debt we will simultaneously create an alternative safe asset (bunds).
  - surgical_fire 2y ago
    Who are these allies you speak of?
dboreham 2y ago
Because those people around the world are smarter than him and look down on him. He's plenty interested in being involved with places that flatter and pay him money.
watwut 2y ago
Threatening annexations is getting involved. Starting trade wars is getting involved. He is involved a lot ... just more on the fascist side then on the Democratic side.
- permo-w 2y ago
  this is wilful misunderstanding. the result of those "involved" actions is to be less involved, less close, less interlinked

hmmmcurious1 2y ago

Surely he understands the interplay between the usd being the world reserve currency and the importance of allies and military bases set across the world and how this aids US prosperity

dboreham 2y ago
Serious question?? Of course he doesn't.
- permo-w 2y ago
  of course he does but he doesn't care
  - relaxing 2y ago
    what evidence is there?
    - permo-w 2y ago
      it would be impossible for someone in his position not to know that. he would have to be shockingly, droolingly stupid to not know that, and I know it's fashionable to say that Trump's stupid, but he quite obviously isn't. he's not Einstein or Attenborough, but you don't get where he is by chance. what he is is opinionated and narcissistic with a highly unusual, but predictable - and successful - way of operating that people still somehow fail to recognise. if you think he's stupid, he's winning because you're not seeing his real intentions. I will also point out that he's a political obsessive, including when it comes to foreign policy, and it would be once again quite obviously impossible for someone in his position to not know how US foreign policy works. he quite clearly just doesn't care about losing the benefits of world influence and prefers the long term idea of a different system, one where the US is more self-reliant and his businesses have less competition from foreigners. obviously most economists will tell you that that is stupid, and I'd mostly agree, but it's a far far softer kind of stupid than not understanding the incredibly basic central tenet of US foreign policy for the last 80 years.
      - relaxing 2y ago
        I don’t think he’s stupid. I do think he doesn’t care to know, and remains ignorant. I ask sincerely, because I would love nothing better: can you point to an interview where he demonstrates any depth or nuance to his foreign policy decisions, that would indicate he pays attention to any of the details we’re discussing? He’s clearly a political obsessive, but that doesn’t guarantee knowledge. Rather I think he operates on a set of brutish principles that appeal to a certain sets of people. To your example, it’s easy to espouse a simple idea like isolationism and obsessively work towards it without understanding the finer implications.
        permo-w 2y ago
        >can you point to an interview where he demonstrates any depth or nuance to his foreign policy decisions, that would indicate he pays attention to any of the details we’re discussing? first of all, I shouldn't have to, because what we're talking about is a surface-level issue that a child could understand, not something deep or nuanced. but anyway, here's one example: a while ago Trump suggested that there's a chance the US won't support NATO in the case of an invasion of a member state. can you yourself analyse the real intention and actual result of this foreign policy decision?
      - rat87 2y ago
        He has no idea how US foreign policy works. Or any US policy really. Because he frankly doesn't care. People who try to inform him have talked about how difficult it is to get him to pay attention, that it requires cutting it very short and throwing lots of colorful pictures. It's not a secret in Washington. You say he's a political obsessive but he pays more attention to various fox news rants (which are often conspiratorial) then to well sourced briefings. He's smart at scams and self promotion, anything else he's intellectually lazy about. He cares a lot about influence at least while he's in charge but he undervalues or ignores soft power and just tries to bully allies.
TrapLord_Rhodo 2y ago
serious question... How does that not help? The USD is a stable currency because we have f35's and the most powerful military in the world. How does Germany spending over the next 10 years, what we spend a year change that? Our ally is stronger because trump has been pressuring europe to invest more in military, why does that not increase our military capability now that our allies are a bit stronger?
- tobias3 2y ago
  Previously we were spending on US weapons. E.g. F-35 or Patriots. We might phase that out. Your allies might not help you with the next Afghanistan. Germanies foreign reserves are nearly all treasuries. We might (naturally) diversify away. By taking on a large amount of debt we will simultaneously create an alternative safe asset (bunds).
- surgical_fire 2y ago
  Who are these allies you speak of?

dboreham 2y ago

Because those people around the world are smarter than him and look down on him. He's plenty interested in being involved with places that flatter and pay him money.

watwut 2y ago

Threatening annexations is getting involved. Starting trade wars is getting involved. He is involved a lot ... just more on the fascist side then on the Democratic side.

permo-w 2y ago
this is wilful misunderstanding. the result of those "involved" actions is to be less involved, less close, less interlinked