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How Steve was outed in the 80's is far different then how he would leave if he had to leave today. In the 80's, he was forcibly removed from his position and co
by Zev 18y ago
How Steve was outed in the 80's is far different then how he would leave if he had to leave today. In the 80's, he was forcibly removed from his position and couldn't set anything up. Today? Apple has people like Schiller, Ive and Cook - all more then capable - to run things.
//edit: Fixed the dates. Thanks for pointing it out. And yes, I did typo twice ><
- gravitycop 18y agoSteve was outed in the 90's 80's. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs#Beginnings_of_Apple_Computer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs#Beginnings_of_Apple_...
- Zev 18y agoTypo. They keys are right next to each other and all. Sorry about that.
- gravitycop 18y agoWhy did you say: he was forcibly removed from his position and couldn't set anything up. ? Did you mean Apple couldn't set anything up, or Jobs couldn't set anything up?
- Zev 18y agoJobs. I thought the reference about being forcibly removed made it obvious. Sorry for the confusion.
- gravitycop 18y agoWasn't NeXT set up by Steve Jobs in 1985, around the time he was removed from Apple? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXT#1985.E2.80.931986:_Founding_NeXT http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXT#1985.E2.80.931986:_Foundin... After several months of being sidelined at Apple, Jobs resigned on Friday, September 13, 1985. He told the board he was leaving to set up a new computer company, and that he would be taking several Apple employees from the SuperMicro division with him. He also told the board that his new company would not compete with Apple and might even consider licensing its designs back to them to market under the Macintosh brand. Jobs was joined by former Apple employees Bud Tribble, George Crow, Rich Page, Susan Barnes, Susan Kare, and Dan'l Lewin
- Zev 18y agoWhile your ability to quote Wikipedia is quite astute, you have lost me when I try to figure out what you're trying to say through said quoting. Mind explaining it in some words of your own instead of jumping around the bush?
- gravitycop 18y agohe was forcibly removed from his position and couldn't set anything up. Wasn't NeXT set up by Steve Jobs in 1985, around the time he was removed from Apple?
- Zev 18y agoHe couldn't set anything up within Apple. Obviously he was free to do what he wanted outside of Apple. Honest question for you: Were you nitpicking for the hell of it, or honestly confused as to what I meant?
- whatusername 18y agoI think he's trying to say: In '85 - Jobs couldn't really do any succession planning / future products / directions / etc... So he didn't set anything up for apple (unless you count the fact that long term they bought NeXT etc etc) In '08 - Jobs will be sorely missed. The WWJD (What would Jobs Do?) question will be asked around apple for years to come
- comatose_kid 18y agoSteve was outed in the 80s. And yes, he's leaving a company in much better shape than it was back then. Yet I'm not as optimistic as you are. None of the people you mentioned have comparable salesmanship abilities, or product vision. Sure, Ive can create great designs, their engineering teams are awesome, and Cook is operationally without peer. But who comes up with the next iPhone, or decides to simplify the product line like Steve did when he came back?
- Zev 18y agoMaybe I'm just looking at things differently, but (to me) you can't just compare Jobs Apple to Post-Jobs Apple. Look at who the rest of the industry has as well. Is there any company that can consistently come close to Apple for any of the things you mentioned? I think Apple will manage with Schiller delivering keynotes instead of Jobs. The Schillernote at MWSF wasn't bad.
- gravitycop 18y agoApple has people like Schiller, Ive and Cook - all more then capable - to run things. Why don't Schiller, Ive or Cook deliver the keynote address?
- Zev 18y agoSchiller did deliver the keynote address.
- gravitycop 18y agoNot in 2008. They had some guy named Steve Jobs deliver it. Why?
- Zev 18y agoFast forward to January 2009. They had some random guy named Philip Schiller deliver the keynote. Why? See todays news.
- unalone 18y agoFurther: Schiller did a pretty damn good job with the keynote. I watched his keynote and the Palm Pre one back-to-back, and Schiller's far better at presenting than any of the three Palm People - and the three of them weren't terrible, either. Furthermore - the things that have made Apple so incredible aren't entirely from Jobs. Schiller handles marketing. Ive designs the things. There are tons of people working at Apple who make the magic happen. Steve embodies those things, yes, but his one greatest achievement was his creation of Apple itself. He made the company that's capable of succeeding in every field it enters, whether music or retail or telephones. That company will outlast him.
- bonaldi 18y agoSchiller and Ive were both there during the dark days. Ive designed the Newton and the Performa. The thing about Jobs is he can marshall talent in a way that really drives technical staff nuts at the time, but delights them with the results. Other boards give the technical people their heads, and then you end up with OpenDoc and Taligent. God knows who can replace that. Gassée couldn't.
- Zev 18y agoSchiller and Ive were both there during the dark days. Were they at Apple in the same positions as they are in today?
- bonaldi 18y agoSchiller wasn't, he was medium-level in marketing; but Ive was fairly senior. His team were churning out great designs -- there's a book called AppleDesign that showcases the work, the majority of which didn't make it into production because Apple simply didn't know what it had.