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Agreed. But I read your comment as complacency. I believe the fix is to complain. How else to change human nature? That is the best part: we can change. We c

by clan 2y ago

Agreed. But I read your comment as complacency. I believe the fix is to complain. How else to change human nature? That is the best part: we can change. We can do better. Naive? Maybe. Probably. But I would prefer idealist. Pretty much potato/potato in my world.

ptero 2y ago
This is a noble idea which I completely respect. But changing human nature is a tough task. Plus, changing a trait into something that seems better (e.g., full honesty on goals) might have all sorts of unexpected consequences. There are dark fiction stories about societies with forced honesty (and a few who figured out the way out of it). The road to hell and all that. No offense intended. My 2c.
- MrMcCall 2y ago
  > But changing human nature is a tough task. It is up to each of us to self-reflect and then make the effort to self-evolve. The key to this is doing so for the benefit/happiness of others. > There are dark fiction stories about societies with forced honesty Of course. a) It's fiction, b) We must choose to be honest and then make the effort to both know the truth and manifest the truth in not just what we say but what we do. And, everyone should know that the worst lies are those we tell ourselves, thus the deeeeeep wisdom of "Know thyself." It is the essential foundation for aiming the compass towards a better path.
  - fireburning 2y ago
    this is very naive and kind of adorable if you look at it in the grand scheme of things nothing really has changed since the days of the theocracy we have gigantic compute clusters that do things what humans would have thought as deities but have people advocating for the return of feudalism we are closer to pride and prejudice than ring world that won't change in the next 1000 years or so regardless of the amount of wisdom
    - MrMcCall 2y ago
      > nothing really has changed since the days of the theocracy democracy is God's Will, because all our free wills are equal, and we should work together in cooperation instead of against each other in competition theocracy based upon love has basically never been tried most theocrats are just doing it for the power, money, and sex, in whichever order the Wisdom of the lovers of God are also the lovers of their neighbors, but they do not rule nations, or even cities but they could, if only the people tried to learn the value of compassion that is the only path to success, all else is compromise, and often a horrible one at that always love, teach to always love never hate, teach to never hate we could choose to live compassionately, create compassionate societies, if we wanted, but our selfish desires must be shelved to do so and so, it's just more of the same, with different tech, now in service to the Church of the Almighty Dollar, no matter which denomination "Same as it ever was." --Talking Heads
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- clan 2y ago
  None taken. At all! If you take everything to the extreme "full" honesty becomes "blunt" honesty. I do not advocate that. Pink Floyd answered that with "The Trial". Dark fiction tends to explore the extremes and to me often tends to miss the nuances. Reading such fiction can and should be thought-provoking but not be seen as a pattern. The kind of honesty I try to advocate is a personal stance. Can you be trusted? Do your viewpoints falter under pressure? Are you able to change them openly? So it all basicly ties into a sense of morality. A bit of a dirty word in our business first world of today. Reach for the moon and all that. ;-)

by clan 2y ago

ptero 2y ago

This is a noble idea which I completely respect. But changing human nature is a tough task. Plus, changing a trait into something that seems better (e.g., full honesty on goals) might have all sorts of unexpected consequences. There are dark fiction stories about societies with forced honesty (and a few who figured out the way out of it). The road to hell and all that. No offense intended. My 2c.

MrMcCall 2y ago
> But changing human nature is a tough task. It is up to each of us to self-reflect and then make the effort to self-evolve. The key to this is doing so for the benefit/happiness of others. > There are dark fiction stories about societies with forced honesty Of course. a) It's fiction, b) We must choose to be honest and then make the effort to both know the truth and manifest the truth in not just what we say but what we do. And, everyone should know that the worst lies are those we tell ourselves, thus the deeeeeep wisdom of "Know thyself." It is the essential foundation for aiming the compass towards a better path.
- fireburning 2y ago
  this is very naive and kind of adorable if you look at it in the grand scheme of things nothing really has changed since the days of the theocracy we have gigantic compute clusters that do things what humans would have thought as deities but have people advocating for the return of feudalism we are closer to pride and prejudice than ring world that won't change in the next 1000 years or so regardless of the amount of wisdom
  - MrMcCall 2y ago
    > nothing really has changed since the days of the theocracy democracy is God's Will, because all our free wills are equal, and we should work together in cooperation instead of against each other in competition theocracy based upon love has basically never been tried most theocrats are just doing it for the power, money, and sex, in whichever order the Wisdom of the lovers of God are also the lovers of their neighbors, but they do not rule nations, or even cities but they could, if only the people tried to learn the value of compassion that is the only path to success, all else is compromise, and often a horrible one at that always love, teach to always love never hate, teach to never hate we could choose to live compassionately, create compassionate societies, if we wanted, but our selfish desires must be shelved to do so and so, it's just more of the same, with different tech, now in service to the Church of the Almighty Dollar, no matter which denomination "Same as it ever was." --Talking Heads
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clan 2y ago
None taken. At all! If you take everything to the extreme "full" honesty becomes "blunt" honesty. I do not advocate that. Pink Floyd answered that with "The Trial". Dark fiction tends to explore the extremes and to me often tends to miss the nuances. Reading such fiction can and should be thought-provoking but not be seen as a pattern. The kind of honesty I try to advocate is a personal stance. Can you be trusted? Do your viewpoints falter under pressure? Are you able to change them openly? So it all basicly ties into a sense of morality. A bit of a dirty word in our business first world of today. Reach for the moon and all that. ;-)