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A Canadian's Perspective on US Behavior Since the Trump Regime Was Installed

55 points by latexr 2y ago

hdgaTf9 2y ago
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- where-group-by 2y ago
  Russia would be a terrible ally, and most of Europe is not going to bother even entertaining the idea.
  - ghsg192 2y ago
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    - ChocolateGod 2y ago
      Russia has been pursuing aggression towards non-aligned European states for a long time (including chemical weapon attacks) and no peace treaty has held. That's why many European countries aren't fond on a peace agreement between Ukraine and Russia with no kind of security guarantee, because they think it will just give Moscow time to rearm and repeat. There's no reason to think another peace treaty as you're implying would make any difference. It's an unfortunate truth that the war ongoing in Ukraine is beneficial for European security, because it prevents Moscow re-arming and going for the Baltics, which is why European countries are happy to throw money at it.
- Frederation 2y ago
  Russia can take a flying fuck out of World matters in general.
  - ghsg192 2y ago
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- pjc50 2y ago
  The EU is currently building a security framework to avoid being invaded by Russia.
  - 5aGkiieH 2y ago
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pjc50 2y ago
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- 5aGkiieH 2y ago
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- hdag127312 2y ago
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jpster 2y ago
What are Canada’s options for successfully resisting a US invasion? I imagine it could call on NATO and UK military support? Support from other commonwealth nations? It seems it would be outmatched by the US military might. I think its only real hope is that US military personnel would refuse to obey orders to attack our neighbors. I really hope this doesn’t come to pass. Part of me has always expected the US to attempt this. I thought there could be a point in which climate change would become so bad and water and resources so scarce that the US would find it irresistible. I thought this scenario, if it happened, would be decades from now. It’s surreal to see it playing out. My SO is Canadian and if it happened, we would likely plan our own AmeriExit, for our family.
- cjbenedikt 2y ago
  "...would be outmatched by the US military might." Such as in Korea, Vietnam or Afghanistan? Perhaps Canada could become the US version of Ukraine?
  - Tadpole9181 2y ago
    Unlike any of those countries, the majority of Canada's population lives almost touching the border. And most of that is in a single strip. They also don't have an environment conducive to guerilla warfare. The advantage they do have is a modern military and, maybe, French nukes. Any modern leader not thinking of nuclear proliferation as a form of self defense at this point is a fool.
- watwut 2y ago
  There is 0 chance American military would resist those orders. They would obey. Before the attack, there would be period of economic was and vilification of Canada. They would believe all of that and blame Canada for US economic problems. That process already started. There would also be a period of replacing leadership and members by loyalists... that already started to happen too.
- lawn 2y ago
  Invading Canada may cause a civil war yo erupt in the US, or at least it might be one of the outcomes with the highest chance of success.
csomar 2y ago
I've been trying to reason over this. I don't think Trump is insane or as stupid as they media is trying to paint him and I think some of the actions he will take will be taken by democrats too (ie: the tariffs on China). I think if China continues its rise, the old world model positioned by the US (and its "allies") is pretty much dead. In this world, it would make sense for the US to concentrate resources near its vicinity (Canada, Greenland, Mexico) and only fortify positions in its continent (North and South America).
- watwut 2y ago
  He is highly immoral and your "makes sense" is just apology for literally trying to start a war.
  - csomar 2y ago
    I am not from the US, so I am not trying to be apologetic for anyone. His moral stance is irrelevant if you just want to weigh the odds of a war happening. At the end of the day, most of the world is run by interests and if the majority of interests are aligned against yours, you have to reconsider your position.
    - watwut 2y ago
      > I am not from the US, so I am not trying to be apologetic for anyone. You do not have to be from country X to produce apology for them. > His moral stance is irrelevant if you just want to weigh the odds of a war happening. It is super relevant. With a moral person as a president, the attempt for annexation and steal wont happen. With immoral one, it is significantly more likely. > At the end of the day, most of the world is run by interests Current American politics is highly emotions driven. Trump, Musk, Vance ... they are all very emotional people rather then cold calculators. A lot if not everything is about how they feel.
    - donkeybeer 2y ago
      It matters when you have a rabid, screaming fanbase who ignores even blatant in your face contradictions and fellates everything God, I mean, Trump says.
vasac 2y ago
> ...regime was installed Someone seems seriously upset here.
- thiht 2y ago
  Why do you say that? Because of the word "regime"? I mean, Trump’s early term is notable enough that it could be considered a rupture of the previous US regime. None of the usual checks and balances seem to apply anymore, and executive orders are apparently law now.
- tailspin2019 2y ago
  Well yes, I think that’s very much the point of the article… This quote probably makes it a little bit clearer though if any doubt remains: > “We're angry. We're really, really fucking angry.”
- Tadpole9181 2y ago
  He's threatening to invade their country!? Are you serious?
cmurf 2y ago
Night of Camp David by Fletcher Knebel, 1965. U.S. president's cabinet realized he was insane because of his obsession to annex Canada. I've wondered for some time what most explains people's willingness to hand over nuclear codes to an obviously insane man, for a second time, knowing he's a rapist, a felon, and a vile insurrectionist. He's a persistently untrustworthy liar, and support for this nonsense keeps growing rather than being rejected. Is it something like mass hysteria? Is his malignant narcissism somehow contagious and becomes collective narcissism? A war with Canada tells me there's not much, if any, humanity left to save in the United States. Therefore I sooner believe it's a trap.

55 points by latexr 2y ago

hdgaTf9 2y ago

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where-group-by 2y ago
Russia would be a terrible ally, and most of Europe is not going to bother even entertaining the idea.
- ghsg192 2y ago
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  - ChocolateGod 2y ago
    Russia has been pursuing aggression towards non-aligned European states for a long time (including chemical weapon attacks) and no peace treaty has held. That's why many European countries aren't fond on a peace agreement between Ukraine and Russia with no kind of security guarantee, because they think it will just give Moscow time to rearm and repeat. There's no reason to think another peace treaty as you're implying would make any difference. It's an unfortunate truth that the war ongoing in Ukraine is beneficial for European security, because it prevents Moscow re-arming and going for the Baltics, which is why European countries are happy to throw money at it.
Frederation 2y ago
Russia can take a flying fuck out of World matters in general.
- ghsg192 2y ago
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pjc50 2y ago
The EU is currently building a security framework to avoid being invaded by Russia.
- 5aGkiieH 2y ago
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pjc50 2y ago

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5aGkiieH 2y ago
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hdag127312 2y ago
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jpster 2y ago

What are Canada’s options for successfully resisting a US invasion? I imagine it could call on NATO and UK military support? Support from other commonwealth nations? It seems it would be outmatched by the US military might. I think its only real hope is that US military personnel would refuse to obey orders to attack our neighbors. I really hope this doesn’t come to pass. Part of me has always expected the US to attempt this. I thought there could be a point in which climate change would become so bad and water and resources so scarce that the US would find it irresistible. I thought this scenario, if it happened, would be decades from now. It’s surreal to see it playing out. My SO is Canadian and if it happened, we would likely plan our own AmeriExit, for our family.

cjbenedikt 2y ago
"...would be outmatched by the US military might." Such as in Korea, Vietnam or Afghanistan? Perhaps Canada could become the US version of Ukraine?
- Tadpole9181 2y ago
  Unlike any of those countries, the majority of Canada's population lives almost touching the border. And most of that is in a single strip. They also don't have an environment conducive to guerilla warfare. The advantage they do have is a modern military and, maybe, French nukes. Any modern leader not thinking of nuclear proliferation as a form of self defense at this point is a fool.
watwut 2y ago
There is 0 chance American military would resist those orders. They would obey. Before the attack, there would be period of economic was and vilification of Canada. They would believe all of that and blame Canada for US economic problems. That process already started. There would also be a period of replacing leadership and members by loyalists... that already started to happen too.
lawn 2y ago
Invading Canada may cause a civil war yo erupt in the US, or at least it might be one of the outcomes with the highest chance of success.

csomar 2y ago

I've been trying to reason over this. I don't think Trump is insane or as stupid as they media is trying to paint him and I think some of the actions he will take will be taken by democrats too (ie: the tariffs on China). I think if China continues its rise, the old world model positioned by the US (and its "allies") is pretty much dead. In this world, it would make sense for the US to concentrate resources near its vicinity (Canada, Greenland, Mexico) and only fortify positions in its continent (North and South America).

watwut 2y ago
He is highly immoral and your "makes sense" is just apology for literally trying to start a war.
- csomar 2y ago
  I am not from the US, so I am not trying to be apologetic for anyone. His moral stance is irrelevant if you just want to weigh the odds of a war happening. At the end of the day, most of the world is run by interests and if the majority of interests are aligned against yours, you have to reconsider your position.
  - watwut 2y ago
    > I am not from the US, so I am not trying to be apologetic for anyone. You do not have to be from country X to produce apology for them. > His moral stance is irrelevant if you just want to weigh the odds of a war happening. It is super relevant. With a moral person as a president, the attempt for annexation and steal wont happen. With immoral one, it is significantly more likely. > At the end of the day, most of the world is run by interests Current American politics is highly emotions driven. Trump, Musk, Vance ... they are all very emotional people rather then cold calculators. A lot if not everything is about how they feel.
  - donkeybeer 2y ago
    It matters when you have a rabid, screaming fanbase who ignores even blatant in your face contradictions and fellates everything God, I mean, Trump says.

vasac 2y ago

> ...regime was installed Someone seems seriously upset here.

thiht 2y ago
Why do you say that? Because of the word "regime"? I mean, Trump’s early term is notable enough that it could be considered a rupture of the previous US regime. None of the usual checks and balances seem to apply anymore, and executive orders are apparently law now.
tailspin2019 2y ago
Well yes, I think that’s very much the point of the article… This quote probably makes it a little bit clearer though if any doubt remains: > “We're angry. We're really, really fucking angry.”
Tadpole9181 2y ago
He's threatening to invade their country!? Are you serious?

cmurf 2y ago

Night of Camp David by Fletcher Knebel, 1965. U.S. president's cabinet realized he was insane because of his obsession to annex Canada. I've wondered for some time what most explains people's willingness to hand over nuclear codes to an obviously insane man, for a second time, knowing he's a rapist, a felon, and a vile insurrectionist. He's a persistently untrustworthy liar, and support for this nonsense keeps growing rather than being rejected. Is it something like mass hysteria? Is his malignant narcissism somehow contagious and becomes collective narcissism? A war with Canada tells me there's not much, if any, humanity left to save in the United States. Therefore I sooner believe it's a trap.