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Classic "what about the children" fallacy

Gud 2y ago
Not at all. The comment I was responding to said the internet doesn’t work with ’arbitrary restrictions’. Let me guess. Parent poster doesn’t consider child pornography an ‘arbitrary restriction’. Who decides what is an ‘arbitrary restriction’? I propose we let a country’s government decide what is a reasonable restriction, not an American corporation. In this case, the Italian government.
- johnisgood 2y ago
  No, we should not let the Government to meddle in people's business at all. Have we not seen enough about the awful consequences of Government intervention? We need less nanny states, not more.
  - illiac786 2y ago
    Well again, when does “meddling“ starts and when does “provide good conditions for a thriving civilisation” starts. I think I want the government to chase criminals. Although I agree that movies piracy is really low on my list of priorities when it comes to criminals. But instead of DNS they should actually simply delete the files. It’s so simple, yet no one does it. All these forums host the files (except torrent) on some server. In general, the providers serving the file will happily delete it if asked to, they don’t want to host illegal stuff. Example: https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/sexueller-missbrauch-von-kindern-wie-der-staat-im-kampf-gegen-kinderpornografie-versagt-a-f620b95d-ac4f-47d2-bdd3-c37c57eb0035 https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/sexueller-missbr...
    - johnisgood 2y ago
      Piracy is low on my list too, but so are people who do drugs as long as they do it at home[1], responsibly, so called productive junkies. Child porn is indeed high on the list, though. Honestly, in the US, obesity is probably the number 1 factor for all sorts of illnesses and expenses, yet we do not restrict people's food, we leave it up to them, in fact, recent trends are all about how it is OK to be obese, so why care about someone unwinding after a long day of work with weed, not harming anyone, and not being a burden on the healthcare system (unlike the obese)? You can replace weed with heroin, too, FWIW. Kratom is an alternative (illegal in some states by now), of course, but it is less clean than heroin, but this discussion is for another day. As for the rest, I agree nevertheless. [1] Not to be confused by people who re-use needles, litter the city with their bullshit, aggressive, stink, and so forth. My girlfriend lives in LA and she is constantly afraid of them (as she should). Many of them probably have untreated schizophrenia or something, too.
      - AlecSchueler 2y ago
        In the parts of the EU I've lived there is plenty of dietary paternalism, from banning sugar in schools to mandating that products carry "nutri-scores." It's not very controversial either.
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Gud 2y ago

Not at all. The comment I was responding to said the internet doesn’t work with ’arbitrary restrictions’. Let me guess. Parent poster doesn’t consider child pornography an ‘arbitrary restriction’. Who decides what is an ‘arbitrary restriction’? I propose we let a country’s government decide what is a reasonable restriction, not an American corporation. In this case, the Italian government.

johnisgood 2y ago
No, we should not let the Government to meddle in people's business at all. Have we not seen enough about the awful consequences of Government intervention? We need less nanny states, not more.
- illiac786 2y ago
  Well again, when does “meddling“ starts and when does “provide good conditions for a thriving civilisation” starts. I think I want the government to chase criminals. Although I agree that movies piracy is really low on my list of priorities when it comes to criminals. But instead of DNS they should actually simply delete the files. It’s so simple, yet no one does it. All these forums host the files (except torrent) on some server. In general, the providers serving the file will happily delete it if asked to, they don’t want to host illegal stuff. Example: https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/sexueller-missbrauch-von-kindern-wie-der-staat-im-kampf-gegen-kinderpornografie-versagt-a-f620b95d-ac4f-47d2-bdd3-c37c57eb0035 https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/sexueller-missbr...
  - johnisgood 2y ago
    Piracy is low on my list too, but so are people who do drugs as long as they do it at home[1], responsibly, so called productive junkies. Child porn is indeed high on the list, though. Honestly, in the US, obesity is probably the number 1 factor for all sorts of illnesses and expenses, yet we do not restrict people's food, we leave it up to them, in fact, recent trends are all about how it is OK to be obese, so why care about someone unwinding after a long day of work with weed, not harming anyone, and not being a burden on the healthcare system (unlike the obese)? You can replace weed with heroin, too, FWIW. Kratom is an alternative (illegal in some states by now), of course, but it is less clean than heroin, but this discussion is for another day. As for the rest, I agree nevertheless. [1] Not to be confused by people who re-use needles, litter the city with their bullshit, aggressive, stink, and so forth. My girlfriend lives in LA and she is constantly afraid of them (as she should). Many of them probably have untreated schizophrenia or something, too.
    - AlecSchueler 2y ago
      In the parts of the EU I've lived there is plenty of dietary paternalism, from banning sugar in schools to mandating that products carry "nutri-scores." It's not very controversial either.
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