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Does it really even matter, the Chinese force this upon all their people. It's a given luckily in the free world we can go and get more sources of information,

by gscott 2y ago

Does it really even matter, the Chinese force this upon all their people. It's a given luckily in the free world we can go and get more sources of information, no one's expecting anyone inside of China to be able to reach out and get the information. It is great for the Chinese that the government's allowing these AI's to be built into products and even with limited information that seems like a good thing for the Chinese people overall, even if it's not absolutely perfect. Western country's try to hide information from their own people as well. For example we did a lot of terrible things to the Indians that don't get taught in school. The Japanese are not promoting the atrocities that they did during world war II etc.

powerapple 2y ago
Is Tibet not part of China? Last time I visited Tibet, I didn't need a visa, or special permit.
- deleted 2y ago
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- ctchocula 2y ago
  You do need one now if you are not a chinese national. See https://www.tibettourism.com/tibet-travel-permit.html https://www.tibettourism.com/tibet-travel-permit.html
  - powerapple 2y ago
    I need a visa if I want to go to US.....
tw1984 2y ago
> It is great for the Chinese that the government's allowing these AI's to be built into products allowing? the CCP is arguably the world's largest investor behind AI. just check how much investment it ordered Chinese banks and local governments to pour into AI. you read way too much censored western media.
- gscott 2y ago
  I'm a paying subscriber to the South China Morning Post.
  - tw1984 2y ago
    sometimes I have to wonder are you guys actually on CCP's payroll. I mean when the west and China are in such ongoing strategic competition, there just so many shills keep painting the CCP as some kind of incompetent moron dicking around slowing down the Chinese progress. Are you guys actually getting paid to cover China's high tech rise by keep downplaying CCP's decisive role in it? Will that get you into trouble back at home? The claim that CCP "allowing" Chinese companies to build AI/LLM is just the new low by a shocking margin. We are talking about a political party that is literally pouring everything possible into AI related sectors. https://www.scmp.com/tech/big-tech/article/3295513/tech-war-china-creates-us82-billion-ai-investment-fund-amid-tightened-us-trade-controls https://www.scmp.com/tech/big-tech/article/3295513/tech-war-... https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/06/tech/china-state-venture-capital-guidance-fund-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/06/tech/china-state-venture-capi... https://www.medianama.com/2025/01/223-bank-of-china-announces-1-trillion-yuan-ai-industry-investment/ https://www.medianama.com/2025/01/223-bank-of-china-announce...
    - gscott 2y ago
      Ai is different then much of "High Tech" because it deals with information, knowledge, things that the CCP wants to keep tight control over for its population. So yes they "allow" it because this high tech is different then a high tech car or a high tech phone (behind the great firewall). AI is all about information and knowledge something which the CCP puts a high value on controlling. So "allowing" is the proper term this time. This is no way denigrates all of the other achievements of the CCP which are many.
- fc417fc802 2y ago
  Allowing the general public to have access. This is a country with notoriously strict information controls after all.
jrgoff 2y ago
I don't know what gets taught in school these days about what was done to the native groups in the US, but when and where I went to school (in the US a few decades ago) we were taught about a number of very bad things that were done: Intentional spreading of diseases, broken treaties, forced displacement, etc. I do think there are a lot of things bad that we did and do that get ignored or glossed over but a lot of it does get (at least briefly) taught and as far as I know, other than government secrets that are recent-ish, information about these things is not repressed.

by gscott 2y ago

powerapple 2y ago

Is Tibet not part of China? Last time I visited Tibet, I didn't need a visa, or special permit.

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ctchocula 2y ago
You do need one now if you are not a chinese national. See https://www.tibettourism.com/tibet-travel-permit.html https://www.tibettourism.com/tibet-travel-permit.html
- powerapple 2y ago
  I need a visa if I want to go to US.....

tw1984 2y ago

> It is great for the Chinese that the government's allowing these AI's to be built into products allowing? the CCP is arguably the world's largest investor behind AI. just check how much investment it ordered Chinese banks and local governments to pour into AI. you read way too much censored western media.

gscott 2y ago
I'm a paying subscriber to the South China Morning Post.
- tw1984 2y ago
  sometimes I have to wonder are you guys actually on CCP's payroll. I mean when the west and China are in such ongoing strategic competition, there just so many shills keep painting the CCP as some kind of incompetent moron dicking around slowing down the Chinese progress. Are you guys actually getting paid to cover China's high tech rise by keep downplaying CCP's decisive role in it? Will that get you into trouble back at home? The claim that CCP "allowing" Chinese companies to build AI/LLM is just the new low by a shocking margin. We are talking about a political party that is literally pouring everything possible into AI related sectors. https://www.scmp.com/tech/big-tech/article/3295513/tech-war-china-creates-us82-billion-ai-investment-fund-amid-tightened-us-trade-controls https://www.scmp.com/tech/big-tech/article/3295513/tech-war-... https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/06/tech/china-state-venture-capital-guidance-fund-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/06/tech/china-state-venture-capi... https://www.medianama.com/2025/01/223-bank-of-china-announces-1-trillion-yuan-ai-industry-investment/ https://www.medianama.com/2025/01/223-bank-of-china-announce...
  - gscott 2y ago
    Ai is different then much of "High Tech" because it deals with information, knowledge, things that the CCP wants to keep tight control over for its population. So yes they "allow" it because this high tech is different then a high tech car or a high tech phone (behind the great firewall). AI is all about information and knowledge something which the CCP puts a high value on controlling. So "allowing" is the proper term this time. This is no way denigrates all of the other achievements of the CCP which are many.
fc417fc802 2y ago
Allowing the general public to have access. This is a country with notoriously strict information controls after all.

jrgoff 2y ago

I don't know what gets taught in school these days about what was done to the native groups in the US, but when and where I went to school (in the US a few decades ago) we were taught about a number of very bad things that were done: Intentional spreading of diseases, broken treaties, forced displacement, etc. I do think there are a lot of things bad that we did and do that get ignored or glossed over but a lot of it does get (at least briefly) taught and as far as I know, other than government secrets that are recent-ish, information about these things is not repressed.