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They need to say "fuck off, then, enjoy EuropeNet" and ignore their demands. There should be zero ambiguity and zero compliance. The internet doesn't work if ar
by observationist 2y ago
They need to say "fuck off, then, enjoy EuropeNet" and ignore their demands.
There should be zero ambiguity and zero compliance.
The internet doesn't work if arbitrary restrictions on speech get imposed.
You cannot give a single goddamn inch or they will claw miles away, insidiously inserting their ever growing list of forbidden things.
- Gud 2y agoChild porn? Drug markets?
- mikrotikker 2y agoClassic "what about the children" fallacy
- Gud 2y agoNot at all. The comment I was responding to said the internet doesn’t work with ’arbitrary restrictions’. Let me guess. Parent poster doesn’t consider child pornography an ‘arbitrary restriction’. Who decides what is an ‘arbitrary restriction’? I propose we let a country’s government decide what is a reasonable restriction, not an American corporation. In this case, the Italian government.
- johnisgood 2y agoNo, we should not let the Government to meddle in people's business at all. Have we not seen enough about the awful consequences of Government intervention? We need less nanny states, not more.
- illiac786 2y agoWell again, when does “meddling“ starts and when does “provide good conditions for a thriving civilisation” starts. I think I want the government to chase criminals. Although I agree that movies piracy is really low on my list of priorities when it comes to criminals. But instead of DNS they should actually simply delete the files. It’s so simple, yet no one does it. All these forums host the files (except torrent) on some server. In general, the providers serving the file will happily delete it if asked to, they don’t want to host illegal stuff. Example: https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/sexueller-missbrauch-von-kindern-wie-der-staat-im-kampf-gegen-kinderpornografie-versagt-a-f620b95d-ac4f-47d2-bdd3-c37c57eb0035 https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/sexueller-missbr...
- johnisgood 2y agoPiracy is low on my list too, but so are people who do drugs as long as they do it at home[1], responsibly, so called productive junkies. Child porn is indeed high on the list, though. Honestly, in the US, obesity is probably the number 1 factor for all sorts of illnesses and expenses, yet we do not restrict people's food, we leave it up to them, in fact, recent trends are all about how it is OK to be obese, so why care about someone unwinding after a long day of work with weed, not harming anyone, and not being a burden on the healthcare system (unlike the obese)? You can replace weed with heroin, too, FWIW. Kratom is an alternative (illegal in some states by now), of course, but it is less clean than heroin, but this discussion is for another day. As for the rest, I agree nevertheless. [1] Not to be confused by people who re-use needles, litter the city with their bullshit, aggressive, stink, and so forth. My girlfriend lives in LA and she is constantly afraid of them (as she should). Many of them probably have untreated schizophrenia or something, too.
- AlecSchueler 2y agoIn the parts of the EU I've lived there is plenty of dietary paternalism, from banning sugar in schools to mandating that products carry "nutri-scores." It's not very controversial either.
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- jrflowers 2y agoNeither of those things are addressed by DNS poisoning
- johnisgood 2y agoWhat about drug markets? There will always be demand for it, for many reasons. You simply cannot stop demand. Have a good read: https://academic.oup.com/book/2163 https://academic.oup.com/book/2163.
- Gud 2y agoI agree with you. My point is that one persons “arbitrary restrictions” is different from somebody else’s.
- johnisgood 2y agoI completely agree.
- Etheryte 2y agoThe internet most definitely does work with some restrictions on speech, pretty much everywhere worldwide has rules that limit freedom of speech to some extent. In some countries it's defamation, in others it's hate speech, etc, and it's no different in the US. Freedom of speech means you're protected from government censorship, not that you can freely say anything without consequence. For example, you can't publicly say that you will give X amount of money to anyone who will kill person Y, that's not what freedom of speech is about.
- immibis 2y agoAs evidenced by the fact that the Internet still works with Cloudflare on it. Seriously, they're one of the biggest restrictors of speech.