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Similar situation, I did a number of tests( ancestry, myheritage, 23andme, etc) the information it provided answered many questions, and introduced people I nev

by ipaddr 2y ago

Similar situation, I did a number of tests( ancestry, myheritage, 23andme, etc) the information it provided answered many questions, and introduced people I never would have expected to my family tree (half brother/sister, etc). 23andme had little data on my fathers side so it split my mothers side into my family tree at the great grandfather level. I spent awhile tracing people only to discover my father and mother side seemed to be related. After going on Ancestry I was able to figure the mistake. Myheritage had European links. 23andme North American links. Ancestry had everything. The genetic time period they match against are different. 23andme matches against 100ad while ancestry 1200ad. So if you are Celtic perhaps your people were in Spain in 100ad but in Ireland or Scotland by 1200. Using different services gives you a fuller picture and understanding of human migration and your migration. The difference from 23andme telling you you are broadly northwestern european vs Cornish/Welsh/Scottish is huge but illustrates what you match against really changes your identity.

krior 2y ago
I get the medical angle, but I cannot understand why it would matter to know that some distant ancestor may be from scotland. Is that really worth turning over your detailed biological build plan with all its flaws to some shady cooperation?
- tiahura 2y ago
  Do you have any examples of people being harmed, or are you just spreading FUD?
  - anon_e-moose 2y ago
    Try reading some on history from the 1940s, ask yourself if that might happen again, and reevaluate what your parent post says.
    - clown_strike 2y ago
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      - ipaddr 2y ago
        The caste system was put in place 1900 years ago but after the mixing of populations so caste system identification through dna isn't really possible. And Jews were self identifying and dna isn't going to tell you if you are gay or not. Ethnicity can be easier discovered through last name, visual clues rather then stolen hacker data. The fears are similar to fears around your commodore 64 accidently logging into a war games scenario and destroying the world.
        homebrewer 2y ago
        > Ethnicity can be easier discovered through last name Most people in Russia who identify as Jewish and/or emigrated to Israel have non-Jewish last names. You really would never know if they didn't file the paperwork.
      - anon_e-moose 2y ago
        There are political parties in the world today speaking of remigration based on citizenship of family up to 3 or 4 generations. The data from 23andme would fit this purpose perfectly.
        ipaddr 2y ago
        23andme data is not ancestry.com data. They lump you into groups from 100ad. Hard to match to country origins when groups are broadly called northwestern european which combines Ireland, UK, Sweden, France, Germany, Sweden, etc into one group. Wouldn't they use the citizenship data they have from the last 100 years? If they used 23andme data wouldn't they have floods of people from US, Canada, Australia, who could claim a new citizenship?
- ipaddr 2y ago
  I worry more about Google, Facebook, mobile apps, cell phones tracking location, interests, activities putting it together for others to buy. These tests do not do a full detailed analysis if you want that you need to find a clinic and pay thousands of dollars. For what they do tell you I wouldn't be afraid for the entire world to see. Discovering who you are, where you came from, discovering who your relates are, what your last name is, where people with your genes live now, the backstory on how your wave of immigration came and where they settled and why has been worth it. The information exposed by 21andme was profile and ethnicity information. I'm okay with any of that becoming public, the public part of a facebook profile shares personal data. Actually I wish more people would ask me about my ethnicity data. I think it would make a great addition as a facebook profile section and if facebook still allowed developers to create profile addons I would create one. As an aside does anyone remember catbook addon?
  - homebrewer 2y ago
    > profile and ethnicity information. I'm okay with any of that becoming public You are probably aware that at least two European countries no longer collect this information, and the reasons for introducing this policy?
    - ipaddr 2y ago
      Not aware or the reasoning. I looked it up. This article talks about the countries that do and don't.. why black lives matter is protesting in Germany over it. https://qz.com/2029525/the-20-countries-that-dont-collect-racial-and-ethnic-census-data https://qz.com/2029525/the-20-countries-that-dont-collect-ra... My guess would be to protect European identity from the reality. Europe has a different level of acceptance of foreigners and a history to protect. I can accept their compromise because of their political situations. In Canada it's promoted. In the US it gets combined into American identity and promoted in Europe it's hidden.

by ipaddr 2y ago

krior 2y ago

I get the medical angle, but I cannot understand why it would matter to know that some distant ancestor may be from scotland. Is that really worth turning over your detailed biological build plan with all its flaws to some shady cooperation?

tiahura 2y ago
Do you have any examples of people being harmed, or are you just spreading FUD?
- anon_e-moose 2y ago
  Try reading some on history from the 1940s, ask yourself if that might happen again, and reevaluate what your parent post says.
  - clown_strike 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - ipaddr 2y ago
      The caste system was put in place 1900 years ago but after the mixing of populations so caste system identification through dna isn't really possible. And Jews were self identifying and dna isn't going to tell you if you are gay or not. Ethnicity can be easier discovered through last name, visual clues rather then stolen hacker data. The fears are similar to fears around your commodore 64 accidently logging into a war games scenario and destroying the world.
      - homebrewer 2y ago
        > Ethnicity can be easier discovered through last name Most people in Russia who identify as Jewish and/or emigrated to Israel have non-Jewish last names. You really would never know if they didn't file the paperwork.
    - anon_e-moose 2y ago
      There are political parties in the world today speaking of remigration based on citizenship of family up to 3 or 4 generations. The data from 23andme would fit this purpose perfectly.
      - ipaddr 2y ago
        23andme data is not ancestry.com data. They lump you into groups from 100ad. Hard to match to country origins when groups are broadly called northwestern european which combines Ireland, UK, Sweden, France, Germany, Sweden, etc into one group. Wouldn't they use the citizenship data they have from the last 100 years? If they used 23andme data wouldn't they have floods of people from US, Canada, Australia, who could claim a new citizenship?
ipaddr 2y ago
I worry more about Google, Facebook, mobile apps, cell phones tracking location, interests, activities putting it together for others to buy. These tests do not do a full detailed analysis if you want that you need to find a clinic and pay thousands of dollars. For what they do tell you I wouldn't be afraid for the entire world to see. Discovering who you are, where you came from, discovering who your relates are, what your last name is, where people with your genes live now, the backstory on how your wave of immigration came and where they settled and why has been worth it. The information exposed by 21andme was profile and ethnicity information. I'm okay with any of that becoming public, the public part of a facebook profile shares personal data. Actually I wish more people would ask me about my ethnicity data. I think it would make a great addition as a facebook profile section and if facebook still allowed developers to create profile addons I would create one. As an aside does anyone remember catbook addon?
- homebrewer 2y ago
  > profile and ethnicity information. I'm okay with any of that becoming public You are probably aware that at least two European countries no longer collect this information, and the reasons for introducing this policy?
  - ipaddr 2y ago
    Not aware or the reasoning. I looked it up. This article talks about the countries that do and don't.. why black lives matter is protesting in Germany over it. https://qz.com/2029525/the-20-countries-that-dont-collect-racial-and-ethnic-census-data https://qz.com/2029525/the-20-countries-that-dont-collect-ra... My guess would be to protect European identity from the reality. Europe has a different level of acceptance of foreigners and a history to protect. I can accept their compromise because of their political situations. In Canada it's promoted. In the US it gets combined into American identity and promoted in Europe it's hidden.