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Is all that folks "Why is Europe like that" from US? In that case, remember that TikTok is going to be banned because it is destroying US social networks busine
by antirez 2y ago
Is all that folks "Why is Europe like that" from US? In that case, remember that TikTok is going to be banned because it is destroying US social networks business. On the contrary, this is an official order after the proof of copyright infringement, and targets the specific devices that are attached by people here in Italy on their TVs to stoke content (pezzotto).
It's not single people that go watch some streaming, it's a criminal organization that resells copyrighted content like footbool, F1, ... and make the customers pay (less than Sky of course). This is stealing.
- LeroyRaz 2y agoTikTok is a legitimate national security concern.
- WalterGillman 2y agoHow? It might expedite intel gathering and psychological warfare to an extent but let's not pretend China doesn't have agents inside of all of the "friendly" platforms already.
- ekianjo 2y agoBecause China can control what gets recommended to TikTok viewers and actively brainwash them. Even if it does not work on all people that's enough to be a security concern.
- realusername 2y agoIn the EU, I'd rank it a lower national security threat than Twitter or Facebook, by far. And seeing what's going on in the US now, I'd maybe have the same analysis for the US.
- mikrotikker 2y agoBut it is a threat and all of those threats should be dealt with .
- realusername 2y agoAll threats aren't equal. I'm more afraid of Twitter and Facebook, where there's tons of official government presence.
- EasyMark 2y agoChina doesn't consider EU it's primary advesary/competitor either though. They have a lot more incentive to use it against the USA.
- sneak 2y agoSo is Facebook and Instagram. We’re only talking about banning the foreign one. Also, by that logic, all publishing is potentially a “national security concern”.
- mikrotikker 2y agoBanning /foreign/ influence and propaganda? Why would a country want to do that I wonder? We should bring back RT while we're at it then eh?
- genewitch 2y agoYou give me your take on, quote, Trump banning voice of America, unquote?
- Gud 2y agoThat Facebook/whatsapp/instagram arent ‘foreign’ is an illusion. They are controlled by the same entity, the capitalist elite.
- sneak 2y agoYes. Human rights to free expression don’t end at the border, and are not contingent on citizenship. If you only believe in human rights for passport holders, you don’t believe in human rights. Furthermore, if you think your enemies having the right to publish whatever they like is a national security threat, you don’t believe in the nation or its founding principles as outlined in the US constitution. State censorship is much more of a national security threat than foreign propaganda.
- EasyMark 2y agoI think a lot of people don't consider the implications of foreign powers acting against their nation, not a corporation in that country but the actual government using it's vast resources to undermine other countries.
- golergka 2y ago> TikTok is going to be banned because it is destroying US social networks business Didn't Europe ban Russia Today and other Russian state sponsored media?
- realusername 2y agoThose never were real media though and they didn't even pretend anymore. Officially it was banned as a part of the economic sanctions but being a part of their war machine would have been enough of a reason by itself.
- mikrotikker 2y agoAnd what do you think tik tok is? It's a similar service exerting propaganda on the populace at china's algorithmic control.
- realusername 2y agoFor now the Russian media and Twitter have worse influence on democracy than Tiktok ever did.
- immibis 2y agoYou're not thinking like a politician - you're thinking like the point is to maintain democracy etc. Russia Today will never tell people there's a genocide in Gaza, while TikTok does tell them that, so the latter is much more dangerous to politicians. I don't know why politicians have this weird attitude towards Gaza, but they do. Also, the propaganda on Russia Today supports strong governments, so your job as a politician will be safe even if they swing the next election. The propaganda on TikTok does not.
- golergka 2y ago> Russia Today will never tell people there's a genocide in Gaza, while TikTok does tell them that Well if RT was banned for other instances of disinformation, then Tiktok should absolutely be banned for this one.
- soraminazuki 2y agoThat sounds much better than DMCA takedowns for sure. But many of us are against the current copyright regime itself. The ridiculously long duration of copyright ensures that nothing culturally relevant goes to the public domain. For things that are relevant, the weaponization of copyright laws takes away our ability to own what we bought and paid for. There's even a common saying that "if buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing."
- ekianjo 2y agoIt's copyright infringement. That's the only correct word to use. (Stealing is a wrong word because it implies physical scarcity)
- mpalmer 2y agoWhat does it matter what nonsense we in the US do? The Italian law is well-made and justly-carried out, or it isn't. Personally, I am happy to condemn my own government for its many failures.
- cryptonector 2y agoBanning TikTok from the U.S. is really just banning them engaging in financial transactions in the U.S. Asking Google or whoever to poison DNS in a country is a whole different technical ball of wax. The two are not comparable. One difference is that ByteDance won't attempt to engage in financial transactions in the U.S. because doing so would create a diplomatic crisis and anyways it's not easy for a company of that size and with that much business to evade sanctions like that. While the pirate will and can just due to their small size and their ability to set up new bank accounts, which is why countries try to block pirates in the network rather than in the financial system, but blocking them in the network is pretty difficult, and blocking them in DNS -DNSSEC be damned- is basically the easiest way.
- Mindwipe 2y agoThe US ban banned app stores from providing their free applications, which is just as much as a technical choke point as DNS and nothing to do with financial transactions.
- EasyMark 2y agoThe TikTok ban is about Chinese Communist Party brainwashing our teenagers, spreading propaganda, and stealing Americans' personal data. It was never about protoecting facebook or twitter.