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Just a suggestion: if your goal is to convince the average Joe why DNA privacy is a concern, and you solely refer to the police multiple times as "pigs", you're

Just a suggestion: if your goal is to convince the average Joe why DNA privacy is a concern, and you solely refer to the police multiple times as "pigs", you're not going to persuade many people.

consteval 2y ago
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- hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
  > Here in the US, everyone hates cops. If you honestly believe that, you live in an echo chamber on this topic. This Gallup poll from 2024 reported a majority of Americans have either "a great deal" or "quite a lot" of confidence in the police: https://news.gallup.com/poll/647303/confidence-institutions-mostly-flat-police.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/647303/confidence-institutions-...
  - 20after4 2y ago
    51% isn't exactly a glowing review.
    - xp84 2y ago
      51 is a heck of a lot greater than zero though, which 'hn_throwaway_99' asserted.
    - hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
      There is a chart at the bottom of the article I linked that ranks different institutions about which people were all asked the same question "How much confidence you you have in institution X". Note if you include the "some" answer, the "generally positive responses" tally rises to 83%, with only 17% saying "very little" or "none". But more importantly, the police were the 3rd highest rated institution, behind "small business" and "the military". They ranked above "higher education", "the church or organized religion", "public schools", "organized labor", "banks" and "newspapers".
  - consteval 2y ago
    Having confidence in the polices ability to be police doesn't mean you like cops. I'm confident that police are quite good at their jobs, because we don't measure "good" by how little people get hurt or killed in the act of policing.
- 1659447091 2y ago
  > everyone hates cops. I legitimately have never personally met someone who likes the police. ... maybe they have family in the police or something I know a couple people in different police forces. From what I have been able to tell they are like myself and the other people I tend to be around. Mostly decent people trying their best to be good humans for themselves and society. People don't hate cops, they hate the things that happen when corrupted people make it into the job and do corrupted things because of the power that job wields. Or when they are or have been caught breaking the law by cops who are doing their job to enforce the law. I have never heard of anyone hating cops for showing up to help when their assistance was needed.
  - throwaway8110q8 2y ago
    Agree but even though they feel this way, there are institutional forces at work. > [...] Mostly decent people trying their best to be good humans for themselves and society. What do you think would be an honest answer to "how many times have you let another police officer off the hook for something that a civilian would have been arrested/given a ticket for"? Like - how many times per year? How severe are the violations?
    - 1659447091 2y ago
      Considering the small-ish/mid-size forces they are on, I am not sure they would be in that position. They are uniformed and the two that I know better than the other one are female. Most stories they tell that have any "excitement" are of dead bodies, accidents & natural causes mostly, that they respond to reports of--which tbh was a shock to learn about how often/how many dead people they see. [added] I don't disagree that there are institutional forces at work and that does happen. At the same time, when it is very obviously illegal that ruins others; if they cover that up, that puts them in the corrupted people category for me. The individuals not the entirety of the force
  - genewitch 2y ago
    > I have never heard of anyone hating cops for showing up to help when their assistance was needed. Oh, the naivety. It's hard to hear someone hating cops who showed up to help after the cops who showed up to help shot them in the face to death. For example. "If you have a problem, and call the cops, now you have two problems".
- nine_k 2y ago
  I've been to countries where indeed most people hate law enforcement, which is widely known to be corrupt and inefficient. The US cops are paragons of professionalism and courtesy compared to that, and most people in the US, like, don't mind with cops, compared to those places. (This is with all the known non-ideal performance of the US cops.)
mschuster91 2y ago
If the pigs don't want to be referred to as pigs any more, they should push their unions to fight for yeeting the bad apples out of the force for good instead of just hiring those who behaved so utterly braindead that IA had no choice but to yeet them in the next town. At the moment pigs can break the law and abuse their authority any way they please with barely any chance of getting even a slap on the wrist - and even if they kill someone, chances are high they'll either get off entirely on "reasonable fear" or they'll get pardoned.
- bigpeopleareold 2y ago
  Sure, but the audience for 'being aware of DNA privacy' is not the police, but normal citizens, particularly a good number of people who, despite the abuse, are a general good in society.
- hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
  You're free to call the police whatever you want. But that's not what my comment was about. Again, if your goal is to convince people (or at least have a constructive dialogue) why they should care about genetic privacy, all you have done for your average person is convince them even more that your opinion should be discounted.

Just a suggestion: if your goal is to convince the average Joe why DNA privacy is a concern, and you solely refer to the police multiple times as "pigs", you're not going to persuade many people.

consteval 2y ago

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hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
> Here in the US, everyone hates cops. If you honestly believe that, you live in an echo chamber on this topic. This Gallup poll from 2024 reported a majority of Americans have either "a great deal" or "quite a lot" of confidence in the police: https://news.gallup.com/poll/647303/confidence-institutions-mostly-flat-police.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/647303/confidence-institutions-...
- 20after4 2y ago
  51% isn't exactly a glowing review.
  - xp84 2y ago
    51 is a heck of a lot greater than zero though, which 'hn_throwaway_99' asserted.
  - hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
    There is a chart at the bottom of the article I linked that ranks different institutions about which people were all asked the same question "How much confidence you you have in institution X". Note if you include the "some" answer, the "generally positive responses" tally rises to 83%, with only 17% saying "very little" or "none". But more importantly, the police were the 3rd highest rated institution, behind "small business" and "the military". They ranked above "higher education", "the church or organized religion", "public schools", "organized labor", "banks" and "newspapers".
- consteval 2y ago
  Having confidence in the polices ability to be police doesn't mean you like cops. I'm confident that police are quite good at their jobs, because we don't measure "good" by how little people get hurt or killed in the act of policing.
1659447091 2y ago
> everyone hates cops. I legitimately have never personally met someone who likes the police. ... maybe they have family in the police or something I know a couple people in different police forces. From what I have been able to tell they are like myself and the other people I tend to be around. Mostly decent people trying their best to be good humans for themselves and society. People don't hate cops, they hate the things that happen when corrupted people make it into the job and do corrupted things because of the power that job wields. Or when they are or have been caught breaking the law by cops who are doing their job to enforce the law. I have never heard of anyone hating cops for showing up to help when their assistance was needed.
- throwaway8110q8 2y ago
  Agree but even though they feel this way, there are institutional forces at work. > [...] Mostly decent people trying their best to be good humans for themselves and society. What do you think would be an honest answer to "how many times have you let another police officer off the hook for something that a civilian would have been arrested/given a ticket for"? Like - how many times per year? How severe are the violations?
  - 1659447091 2y ago
    Considering the small-ish/mid-size forces they are on, I am not sure they would be in that position. They are uniformed and the two that I know better than the other one are female. Most stories they tell that have any "excitement" are of dead bodies, accidents & natural causes mostly, that they respond to reports of--which tbh was a shock to learn about how often/how many dead people they see. [added] I don't disagree that there are institutional forces at work and that does happen. At the same time, when it is very obviously illegal that ruins others; if they cover that up, that puts them in the corrupted people category for me. The individuals not the entirety of the force
- genewitch 2y ago
  > I have never heard of anyone hating cops for showing up to help when their assistance was needed. Oh, the naivety. It's hard to hear someone hating cops who showed up to help after the cops who showed up to help shot them in the face to death. For example. "If you have a problem, and call the cops, now you have two problems".
nine_k 2y ago
I've been to countries where indeed most people hate law enforcement, which is widely known to be corrupt and inefficient. The US cops are paragons of professionalism and courtesy compared to that, and most people in the US, like, don't mind with cops, compared to those places. (This is with all the known non-ideal performance of the US cops.)

mschuster91 2y ago

If the pigs don't want to be referred to as pigs any more, they should push their unions to fight for yeeting the bad apples out of the force for good instead of just hiring those who behaved so utterly braindead that IA had no choice but to yeet them in the next town. At the moment pigs can break the law and abuse their authority any way they please with barely any chance of getting even a slap on the wrist - and even if they kill someone, chances are high they'll either get off entirely on "reasonable fear" or they'll get pardoned.

bigpeopleareold 2y ago
Sure, but the audience for 'being aware of DNA privacy' is not the police, but normal citizens, particularly a good number of people who, despite the abuse, are a general good in society.
hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
You're free to call the police whatever you want. But that's not what my comment was about. Again, if your goal is to convince people (or at least have a constructive dialogue) why they should care about genetic privacy, all you have done for your average person is convince them even more that your opinion should be discounted.