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Am I correct in recognizing this as a new low, or is there a prior example for such a demand?

miohtama 2y ago
A Spanish judge ordered blocking of Telegram for the same reason. https://medium.com/enrique-dans/why-blocking-telegram-in-spain-is-both-disproportionate-and-futile-bb3e120ccbca https://medium.com/enrique-dans/why-blocking-telegram-in-spa... It was reversed quickly on complaints, though.
- wkat4242 2y ago
  Yeah in fact it never even happened. I set up some MTProto proxies for some of the communities I engage in but it was never actually needed. It was exactly 1 year ago, I know because I ordered some domains for the proxies and I just got the final reminder.
int_19h 2y ago
Right there in the article: "This decision follows a similar case against Internet backbone firm Cloudflare. In January, the Court of Milan found that Cloudflare's CDN, DNS server, and WARP VPN were facilitating piracy. The court threatened Cloudflare with fines of up to 10,000 euros per day if it did not begin blocking the sites."
- perching_aix 2y ago
  I was specifically referring to requesting DNS poisoning.
- grapesodaaaaa 2y ago
  That’s hilarious to me suggesting that DNS can facilitate privacy. What about the people who own the copper that’s transporting the piracy? That actually seems like it’s more of a direct link than DNS.
  - Rodeoclash 2y ago
    Shh, don't give them ideas!
  - salawat 2y ago
    Disintermediation is the name of the game, and they won't stop because there's money to be made.
threeseed 2y ago
ISPs being asked by the government to block sites at the DNS level is very common.
tptacek 2y ago
No, states fuck with DNS all the time; it's probably the single most legible control point on the Internet for governments.
ilikepi 2y ago
Sony sued Quad9 in Germany back in 2021 and won an early injunction[1], however Quad9 successfully appealed[2]. Interestingly, Sony is now going after them in Italy according to that second article. [1]: https://torrentfreak.com/sony-wins-pirate-site-blocking-order-against-dns-resolver-quad9-210621/ https://torrentfreak.com/sony-wins-pirate-site-blocking-orde... [2]: https://torrentfreak.com/dns-resolver-quad9-wins-pirate-site-blocking-appeal-against-sony-231208/ https://torrentfreak.com/dns-resolver-quad9-wins-pirate-site...

A Spanish judge ordered blocking of Telegram for the same reason. https://medium.com/enrique-dans/why-blocking-telegram-in-spain-is-both-disproportionate-and-futile-bb3e120ccbca https://medium.com/enrique-dans/why-blocking-telegram-in-spa... It was reversed quickly on complaints, though.

wkat4242 2y ago
Yeah in fact it never even happened. I set up some MTProto proxies for some of the communities I engage in but it was never actually needed. It was exactly 1 year ago, I know because I ordered some domains for the proxies and I just got the final reminder.

int_19h 2y ago

Right there in the article: "This decision follows a similar case against Internet backbone firm Cloudflare. In January, the Court of Milan found that Cloudflare's CDN, DNS server, and WARP VPN were facilitating piracy. The court threatened Cloudflare with fines of up to 10,000 euros per day if it did not begin blocking the sites."

perching_aix 2y ago
I was specifically referring to requesting DNS poisoning.
grapesodaaaaa 2y ago
That’s hilarious to me suggesting that DNS can facilitate privacy. What about the people who own the copper that’s transporting the piracy? That actually seems like it’s more of a direct link than DNS.
- Rodeoclash 2y ago
  Shh, don't give them ideas!
- salawat 2y ago
  Disintermediation is the name of the game, and they won't stop because there's money to be made.

threeseed 2y ago

ISPs being asked by the government to block sites at the DNS level is very common.

tptacek 2y ago

No, states fuck with DNS all the time; it's probably the single most legible control point on the Internet for governments.

ilikepi 2y ago

Sony sued Quad9 in Germany back in 2021 and won an early injunction[1], however Quad9 successfully appealed[2]. Interestingly, Sony is now going after them in Italy according to that second article. [1]: https://torrentfreak.com/sony-wins-pirate-site-blocking-order-against-dns-resolver-quad9-210621/ https://torrentfreak.com/sony-wins-pirate-site-blocking-orde... [2]: https://torrentfreak.com/dns-resolver-quad9-wins-pirate-site-blocking-appeal-against-sony-231208/ https://torrentfreak.com/dns-resolver-quad9-wins-pirate-site...