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El Salvador showed you the way. Mexico is 5 years from lasting peace if the appropriate measures are taken.

logicchains 2y ago
In El Salvador the army/police were better equipped enough to lock up the gangs; in Mexico it's not clear whether the army is powerful enough to defeat the cartels even if it seriously tried to.
- azinman2 2y ago
  What made them better equipped?
  - stefantalpalaru 2y ago
    [dead]
- readthenotes1 2y ago
  Better equipped, as in with a government that wanted the gangs eradicated?
- Matthyze 2y ago
  I wonder what would happen if the US got involved in a war against the Mexican cartels. Is that feasible, if even desirable?
  - dingnuts 2y ago
    great, Afghanistan, but this time in Texas
    - remarkEon 2y ago
      Yeah, but this time the cartels are the invading force and they are facing off against trigger happy Texans. Don't think there's many parallels, here.
kybernetikos 2y ago
You seem to be implying that the El Salvador project of brutal mass incarceration without spending too much effort checking that the incarcerated really are guilty could solve this problem too. Firstly, it probably wouldn't because that program only began a long time after the majority of the improvement had already happened: https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc23c4cb3-3328-48cc-aa6d-c104b44bd727_1456x1456.png https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_a... Bukele only began the mass incarceration after El Salvador had roughly the same number of homicides per person as the USA. Secondly even if it really had been that program that produced the improvements, the gangs in El Salvador were very different to the gangs in Mexico. I found https://mattlakeman.org/2024/03/30/notes-on-el-salvador/ https://mattlakeman.org/2024/03/30/notes-on-el-salvador/ interesting for background on the gangs.
- IceHegel 2y ago
  You get an A on your paper, but your country is broken forever.
  - kybernetikos 2y ago
    Countries with strong protections for individual rights score disproportionately well in quality of life metrics and crime statistics. I don't think that's a coincidence.
marxisttemp 2y ago
Silence, magat

In El Salvador the army/police were better equipped enough to lock up the gangs; in Mexico it's not clear whether the army is powerful enough to defeat the cartels even if it seriously tried to.

azinman2 2y ago
What made them better equipped?
- stefantalpalaru 2y ago
  [dead]
readthenotes1 2y ago
Better equipped, as in with a government that wanted the gangs eradicated?
Matthyze 2y ago
I wonder what would happen if the US got involved in a war against the Mexican cartels. Is that feasible, if even desirable?
- dingnuts 2y ago
  great, Afghanistan, but this time in Texas
  - remarkEon 2y ago
    Yeah, but this time the cartels are the invading force and they are facing off against trigger happy Texans. Don't think there's many parallels, here.

kybernetikos 2y ago

You seem to be implying that the El Salvador project of brutal mass incarceration without spending too much effort checking that the incarcerated really are guilty could solve this problem too. Firstly, it probably wouldn't because that program only began a long time after the majority of the improvement had already happened: https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc23c4cb3-3328-48cc-aa6d-c104b44bd727_1456x1456.png https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_a... Bukele only began the mass incarceration after El Salvador had roughly the same number of homicides per person as the USA. Secondly even if it really had been that program that produced the improvements, the gangs in El Salvador were very different to the gangs in Mexico. I found https://mattlakeman.org/2024/03/30/notes-on-el-salvador/ https://mattlakeman.org/2024/03/30/notes-on-el-salvador/ interesting for background on the gangs.

IceHegel 2y ago
You get an A on your paper, but your country is broken forever.
- kybernetikos 2y ago
  Countries with strong protections for individual rights score disproportionately well in quality of life metrics and crime statistics. I don't think that's a coincidence.

marxisttemp 2y ago

Silence, magat