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This data should be available with a FOIA, or even better it should be proactively published by colleges online. It should not take hacking to bring this inform

This data should be available with a FOIA, or even better it should be proactively published by colleges online. It should not take hacking to bring this information to light. The interesting question is, now that this information has been publicized, will the DoJ pursue a civil rights case for what appears to be a fairly blatant case of racial discrimination against white and Asian students?

steveBK123 2y ago
Excluding foreign students & "other", NYU is already 70% total non-Hispanic White (30%) & Asian (40%), rather higher % than within the overall US population 46% total non-Hispanic White (40%)/ Asian (6%). And a huge % of the foreign students are Asian as well. College admissions are not a single-metric first-past-the-post process like time to run a marathon or votes won in an election. Hard to argue whatever balance of quantitative/qualitative inputs they are using actually harms Asian admissions.
- pseudo0 2y ago
  I'm sure the DoJ will love to hear how they came up with a "holistic" qualitative admissions process that just happens to discriminate based on race, just like they were doing prior to the Supreme Court's ruling.
- analyst74 2y ago
  I can accept the argument that they are trying to be inclusive towards disadvantaged students, and it just happens that racial make up of poor but qualified students lean towards black or hispanic. Is that the reality? or is it middle class and less advantaged white/asian kids giving way to middle class black/hispanic ones? Or worse, is it simply raising the bar for asians because there are too many of them in higher education like they did to jews?
  - steveBK123 2y ago
    NYU is a terrible example to pick this fight over, given the stats I posted though. 1) The school is already 40% Asian and only 7% Black. How much higher further should we expect those numbers to move from their demographics (6% Asian / 13% Black). If it was 46% Asian and 1% Black how different would those GPA stats even be? Not much! How about 46.5% Asian and 0.5% Black? When would you be pleased? 2) Its a huge liberal arts, emphasis on the ARTS school. Nearly 20% of the school pursues ART degrees. GPA is not even the correct measure for admissions for that type of degree. Generally it's a portfolio of work. Go do this GPA-only analysis on a college's STEM program admissions or at a pure Engineering school. Anyway, NYU has always been in my mind a "pretty good college for kids with enough money who want to have fun living in Downtown Manhattan for 4 years on their parents dime". Its selectivity is outsized to its academic quality.

steveBK123 2y ago

Excluding foreign students & "other", NYU is already 70% total non-Hispanic White (30%) & Asian (40%), rather higher % than within the overall US population 46% total non-Hispanic White (40%)/ Asian (6%). And a huge % of the foreign students are Asian as well. College admissions are not a single-metric first-past-the-post process like time to run a marathon or votes won in an election. Hard to argue whatever balance of quantitative/qualitative inputs they are using actually harms Asian admissions.

pseudo0 2y ago
I'm sure the DoJ will love to hear how they came up with a "holistic" qualitative admissions process that just happens to discriminate based on race, just like they were doing prior to the Supreme Court's ruling.
analyst74 2y ago
I can accept the argument that they are trying to be inclusive towards disadvantaged students, and it just happens that racial make up of poor but qualified students lean towards black or hispanic. Is that the reality? or is it middle class and less advantaged white/asian kids giving way to middle class black/hispanic ones? Or worse, is it simply raising the bar for asians because there are too many of them in higher education like they did to jews?
- steveBK123 2y ago
  NYU is a terrible example to pick this fight over, given the stats I posted though. 1) The school is already 40% Asian and only 7% Black. How much higher further should we expect those numbers to move from their demographics (6% Asian / 13% Black). If it was 46% Asian and 1% Black how different would those GPA stats even be? Not much! How about 46.5% Asian and 0.5% Black? When would you be pleased? 2) Its a huge liberal arts, emphasis on the ARTS school. Nearly 20% of the school pursues ART degrees. GPA is not even the correct measure for admissions for that type of degree. Generally it's a portfolio of work. Go do this GPA-only analysis on a college's STEM program admissions or at a pure Engineering school. Anyway, NYU has always been in my mind a "pretty good college for kids with enough money who want to have fun living in Downtown Manhattan for 4 years on their parents dime". Its selectivity is outsized to its academic quality.