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...Following legal orders from Turkish judges. Just like it does in the US and EU. Do we like it when people defy court orders or not today? I cant keep track.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> Following legal orders from Turkish judges. Just like it does in the US and EU Musk is notorious for blowing off court orders he doesn’t like. Particularly in America. When he complies, he does so begrudgingly and while levying threats. So yeah, it is notable that he quietly complies with a Turkish court order while yapping about free speech.
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  Do you have a list of US judicial take down requests that Twitter has flat out defied? I know that agency request actions aren't consistent, but dont know of examples telling a judges to stuff it.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    Nope. But the list of court orders Musk has ignored are vast. The hypocrisy is being aimed at the man—he doesn’t get a fresh start on criminal contempt with a new LLC.
    - s1artibartfast 2y ago
      What US court orders do you have in mind and can you articulate the hypocrisy. If I recall correctly, tesla defied some covid orders, but that is a pretty different situation.
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        Musk’s actions around USAID have been halted by courts [1]. The actions persist. Meanwhile, Musk calls—as a member of the executive branch—for impeaching judges who disagree with him. [1] https://www.wmar2news.com/local/maryland-judge-says-elon-musk-doges-actions-at-usaid-violate-constitution https://www.wmar2news.com/local/maryland-judge-says-elon-mus...
        s1artibartfast 2y ago
        Does that constitute Hypocrisy? I agree that the intimidation of the judiciary is detestable. However, to my understanding he is still acknowledging the power of the court to bind or compel action, or at least making the pretext of doing so. Based on this, I don't see the hypocrisy of following judicial rulings in Turkey as well. Inversely, if he was defying similar judicial rulings in each country, on similar basis, that wouldn't be hypocrisy either. The closest is probably the situation in Brazil, where twitter refused several orders, but ultimately ended up complying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Twitter_in_Brazil#Background https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Twitter_in_Brazil#...
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > he is still acknowledging the power of the court to bind or compel action, or at least making the pretext of doing so He claims to fight for free speech. Yet he kicks and screams with every ruling decrying his actions illegal in America. Meanwhile, while Turkey asks him to stop his free speaking, crickets. That is the hypocrisy. He doesn’t stand for free speech. He stands for himself. > closest is probably the situation in Brazil, where twitter You’re still muddling Elon with his beards. What Twitter or Tesla do on their own is almost orthogonal to our modern Caligula’s preferences when he commands them.
ben_w 2y ago
If he obeyed all court orders equally, people would still tut and boo, but it wouldn't be a big deal. That he sometimes picks fights with judges making other orders to suspend accounts, posts memes of that judge behind bars*, means we have to assume he's decided that he followed this order because he agrees with the order (bad), not simply that he follows it because it's an order (generally acceptable). * https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/elon-musk-posts-ai-photos-of-brazilian-judge-in-jail-insults-him-with-name-on-toilet-paper-2590164-2024-08-29 https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/elon-musk-po...
energy123 2y ago
When have you seen Musk contest any request from authoritarian regimes, either rhetorically, diplomatically or otherwise? Never. It's always liberal democracies he goes after. Always.
greatgib 2y ago
I have to see the usual "rant" shit post of Musk on X where he defames "judges" for such a case... Curiously it is just limited to decision going against his choices and his russian friends choices...
croes 2y ago
Court order from EU: Musk: Look how the EU hinders FREEDOM OF SPEECH!! FREEDOM!! *Insert William Wallace meme* Court order from Turkey: Musk: OK Yep, no difference

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> Following legal orders from Turkish judges. Just like it does in the US and EU Musk is notorious for blowing off court orders he doesn’t like. Particularly in America. When he complies, he does so begrudgingly and while levying threats. So yeah, it is notable that he quietly complies with a Turkish court order while yapping about free speech.

s1artibartfast 2y ago
Do you have a list of US judicial take down requests that Twitter has flat out defied? I know that agency request actions aren't consistent, but dont know of examples telling a judges to stuff it.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  Nope. But the list of court orders Musk has ignored are vast. The hypocrisy is being aimed at the man—he doesn’t get a fresh start on criminal contempt with a new LLC.
  - s1artibartfast 2y ago
    What US court orders do you have in mind and can you articulate the hypocrisy. If I recall correctly, tesla defied some covid orders, but that is a pretty different situation.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      Musk’s actions around USAID have been halted by courts [1]. The actions persist. Meanwhile, Musk calls—as a member of the executive branch—for impeaching judges who disagree with him. [1] https://www.wmar2news.com/local/maryland-judge-says-elon-musk-doges-actions-at-usaid-violate-constitution https://www.wmar2news.com/local/maryland-judge-says-elon-mus...
      - s1artibartfast 2y ago
        Does that constitute Hypocrisy? I agree that the intimidation of the judiciary is detestable. However, to my understanding he is still acknowledging the power of the court to bind or compel action, or at least making the pretext of doing so. Based on this, I don't see the hypocrisy of following judicial rulings in Turkey as well. Inversely, if he was defying similar judicial rulings in each country, on similar basis, that wouldn't be hypocrisy either. The closest is probably the situation in Brazil, where twitter refused several orders, but ultimately ended up complying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Twitter_in_Brazil#Background https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Twitter_in_Brazil#...
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > he is still acknowledging the power of the court to bind or compel action, or at least making the pretext of doing so He claims to fight for free speech. Yet he kicks and screams with every ruling decrying his actions illegal in America. Meanwhile, while Turkey asks him to stop his free speaking, crickets. That is the hypocrisy. He doesn’t stand for free speech. He stands for himself. > closest is probably the situation in Brazil, where twitter You’re still muddling Elon with his beards. What Twitter or Tesla do on their own is almost orthogonal to our modern Caligula’s preferences when he commands them.

ben_w 2y ago

If he obeyed all court orders equally, people would still tut and boo, but it wouldn't be a big deal. That he sometimes picks fights with judges making other orders to suspend accounts, posts memes of that judge behind bars*, means we have to assume he's decided that he followed this order because he agrees with the order (bad), not simply that he follows it because it's an order (generally acceptable). * https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/elon-musk-posts-ai-photos-of-brazilian-judge-in-jail-insults-him-with-name-on-toilet-paper-2590164-2024-08-29 https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/elon-musk-po...

energy123 2y ago

When have you seen Musk contest any request from authoritarian regimes, either rhetorically, diplomatically or otherwise? Never. It's always liberal democracies he goes after. Always.

greatgib 2y ago

I have to see the usual "rant" shit post of Musk on X where he defames "judges" for such a case... Curiously it is just limited to decision going against his choices and his russian friends choices...

croes 2y ago

Court order from EU: Musk: Look how the EU hinders FREEDOM OF SPEECH!! FREEDOM!! *Insert William Wallace meme* Court order from Turkey: Musk: OK Yep, no difference