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I can't prove you wrong and I don't think there is any benefit to society when a company with a black box doesn't give back to the community (aka humanity as a

I can't prove you wrong and I don't think there is any benefit to society when a company with a black box doesn't give back to the community (aka humanity as a whole) and doesn't pay anyone. Copyright may be broken, but the only realistic way to encourage creators is to give them money. We don't live in a utopia, and people need money to eat. Also, in France and as an individual, if I were to openly torrent all the content of Libgen or Anna's Archive, I would have to spend the rest of my life in jail whereas Zuck can enjoy having more billions with the same behavior. Some kind of rant: The world is truly fucked right now if such behaviors are rewarded, but at my grand old age of almost 50, I'm starting to move away from all this and it's relaxing: I live a simpler life, I buy from small creators, and I learn whatever I want. I have also gained a lot of time that I can now spend by helping people around me. Life can be fun if you ignore that you'll never be in control of all the bad behaviors around you.

AshamedCaptain 2y ago
> I would have to spend the rest of my life in jail whereas Zuck can enjoy having more billions with the same behavior. Or you would driven by suicide for much smaller violations - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz I mean, one could even argue that what Aaron was doing was not even violating copyright, as he had access.... Yet this guy is dead, and the Facebook owners are instead going to get a nice raise.
WillPostForFood 2y ago
I don't think there is any benefit to society when a company with a black box doesn't give back to the community They are at least giving the model they trained back to the community. https://www.llama.com/llama-downloads/ https://www.llama.com/llama-downloads/
- jumponhoop 2y ago
  I have found throughout my life that the best gifts were ones that required me to give PII to the giver, and sign a binding agreement that legally restricts my use of said gift. Bonus points if you harass me about your newsletter.
  - throwaway548921 2y ago
    This is obviously annoying, but I suspect most people use them by downloading them off HF, Ollama, or similar sites which require no agreement. I also wonder why there is so much attention put on Facebook rather than OpenAI for example. Facebook is at least giving the weights to the public.

AshamedCaptain 2y ago

> I would have to spend the rest of my life in jail whereas Zuck can enjoy having more billions with the same behavior. Or you would driven by suicide for much smaller violations - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz I mean, one could even argue that what Aaron was doing was not even violating copyright, as he had access.... Yet this guy is dead, and the Facebook owners are instead going to get a nice raise.

WillPostForFood 2y ago

I don't think there is any benefit to society when a company with a black box doesn't give back to the community They are at least giving the model they trained back to the community. https://www.llama.com/llama-downloads/ https://www.llama.com/llama-downloads/

jumponhoop 2y ago
I have found throughout my life that the best gifts were ones that required me to give PII to the giver, and sign a binding agreement that legally restricts my use of said gift. Bonus points if you harass me about your newsletter.
- throwaway548921 2y ago
  This is obviously annoying, but I suspect most people use them by downloading them off HF, Ollama, or similar sites which require no agreement. I also wonder why there is so much attention put on Facebook rather than OpenAI for example. Facebook is at least giving the weights to the public.