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The CNIL is doing a ton of work to limit private databases and cross-checking as well. It can be hard to believe from more business focused countries, but the

The CNIL is doing a ton of work to limit private databases and cross-checking as well. It can be hard to believe from more business focused countries, but the agency setting precedents has had dissuasion effects, and most companies do end up caring about their data retention and management policies. I've been in enough meetings where UX proposal gets entirely reworked because of a simple link to the CNIL's guidelines.

vladms 2y ago
I checked the list of the fines (https://www.cnil.fr/fr/les-sanctions-prononcees-par-la-cnil https://www.cnil.fr/fr/les-sanctions-prononcees-par-la-cnil). They are definitely doing good things, but they do not seem to be very active to prevent companies to gather large databases if they can give some reason (ex: facebook / linkedin / etc.). And I am fine if your opinion is that less data collection is better everywhere, but this idea should be applied to everybody (government & private entities). My opinion is that if you fear much more the government than private entities you give those private entities an advantage.
- makeitdouble 2y ago
  Linkedin has been fined for their use of personal data for ad purposes (albeit through the RGPD framework after the CNIL passed the case to them): https://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2024/10/24/donnees-personnelles-linkedin-condamne-a-une-amende-de-310-millions-d-euros-pour-ses-publicites-ciblees-dans-l-ue_6359184_4408996.html https://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2024/10/24/donnees-per... Facebook is also targeted under the RGPD, we've been amply seeing the news. The CNIL doesn't need to be doing everything either. There is and will be no silver bullet completely stopping companies from building databases. I see having an active agency responding to user feedback as at least a decent counterbalance to it, when it's a complete shit show in so many other countries. > government Right now the government having extensive databases allows people to manage all their health payments and data in one place, including any hospital getting access to their full history when they're brought in pain barely able to speak. That also includes ease to vote on the net within minutes, check school records on a standardized site etc. It's not perfect and probably abused in some way, but right now the net benefit at scale largely overshadows those IMHO.
  - vladms 2y ago
    Registration as an expat in the Netherlands is much smoother than in France, for things like taxes, health, pension stuff, municipality stuff, etc. (not to mention at the time I did in NL I did not know the language and I know well French). You basically register in one place and lots of things are pulled from there when needed by other branch of government. In France at almost each new authority I interacted with I needed to provide again the same information, while for all intents and purposes the government has it already (just that in another database). My impression is that lot of effort is wasted due to duplication (including verification, updating, lack of cross referencing) and not sure why (if the case is that "we have N databases because people can't get together to agree on one", that would make some sense ...)

vladms 2y ago

I checked the list of the fines (https://www.cnil.fr/fr/les-sanctions-prononcees-par-la-cnil https://www.cnil.fr/fr/les-sanctions-prononcees-par-la-cnil). They are definitely doing good things, but they do not seem to be very active to prevent companies to gather large databases if they can give some reason (ex: facebook / linkedin / etc.). And I am fine if your opinion is that less data collection is better everywhere, but this idea should be applied to everybody (government & private entities). My opinion is that if you fear much more the government than private entities you give those private entities an advantage.

makeitdouble 2y ago
Linkedin has been fined for their use of personal data for ad purposes (albeit through the RGPD framework after the CNIL passed the case to them): https://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2024/10/24/donnees-personnelles-linkedin-condamne-a-une-amende-de-310-millions-d-euros-pour-ses-publicites-ciblees-dans-l-ue_6359184_4408996.html https://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2024/10/24/donnees-per... Facebook is also targeted under the RGPD, we've been amply seeing the news. The CNIL doesn't need to be doing everything either. There is and will be no silver bullet completely stopping companies from building databases. I see having an active agency responding to user feedback as at least a decent counterbalance to it, when it's a complete shit show in so many other countries. > government Right now the government having extensive databases allows people to manage all their health payments and data in one place, including any hospital getting access to their full history when they're brought in pain barely able to speak. That also includes ease to vote on the net within minutes, check school records on a standardized site etc. It's not perfect and probably abused in some way, but right now the net benefit at scale largely overshadows those IMHO.
- vladms 2y ago
  Registration as an expat in the Netherlands is much smoother than in France, for things like taxes, health, pension stuff, municipality stuff, etc. (not to mention at the time I did in NL I did not know the language and I know well French). You basically register in one place and lots of things are pulled from there when needed by other branch of government. In France at almost each new authority I interacted with I needed to provide again the same information, while for all intents and purposes the government has it already (just that in another database). My impression is that lot of effort is wasted due to duplication (including verification, updating, lack of cross referencing) and not sure why (if the case is that "we have N databases because people can't get together to agree on one", that would make some sense ...)