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Hope he gets better soon, can't imagine how frustrated such a work-oriented person must feel about being out of commission. On another note, might be a good id

Hope he gets better soon, can't imagine how frustrated such a work-oriented person must feel about being out of commission. On another note, might be a good idea to buy AAPL in a few days. Long-term, I think Apple will succeed, with or without Jobs at the helm, but it's sure as hell going to be down over the next few days.

numair 18y ago
"...Long-term, I think Apple will succeed, with or without Jobs at the helm..." You obviously weren't with us in the 90s.
- netcan 18y ago
  You know, I'm sure Jobs did good. But I think a lot of it was timing. Apple's thing is all-in-one machines that are sexy. Always has been. Phones, MP3s players, maybe TVs & that whole market really moved towards Apple's pre-existing strategies. The 90s were about being able to afford to put a computer on each desk. They were never as good at that.
  - dreish 18y ago
    I disagree. They had style and vision in the 80s, and in the 90s they were just selling fungible beige boxes. If the person at the top doesn't care passionately about design, it isn't going to just well up from below. Employees who care about design and have a good eye for it will fail to get recognized, and see that happen to others, and they'll get demoralized and leave. Certainly I hope Jobs gets well, but if he doesn't, I think the key for Apple will be picking a successor who cares about the same things he cares about.
    - netcan 18y ago
      Maybe. Actually, I don't disagree with you, Jobs is good at what he does. Very good. But I think things like how their strategy interacted with the timing, stages of maturity in markets, technology & such, they played a role. At the moment, Apple has a range of potential, growing or existing product classes that they are ideally positioned to take advantage of: netbooks, tablets, whatever else becomes the next computer.The only worry is spreading too thin. What I am saying is that the world really did come back to them to an extent. It's not just Ninja leadership & it's hard to tell what is responsible for what exactly.
- Zev 18y ago
  How Steve was outed in the 80's is far different then how he would leave if he had to leave today. In the 80's, he was forcibly removed from his position and couldn't set anything up. Today? Apple has people like Schiller, Ive and Cook - all more then capable - to run things. //edit: Fixed the dates. Thanks for pointing it out. And yes, I did typo twice ><
  - gravitycop 18y ago
    Steve was outed in the 90's 80's. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs#Beginnings_of_Apple_Computer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs#Beginnings_of_Apple_...
    - Zev 18y ago
      Typo. They keys are right next to each other and all. Sorry about that.
      - gravitycop 18y ago
        Why did you say: he was forcibly removed from his position and couldn't set anything up. ? Did you mean Apple couldn't set anything up, or Jobs couldn't set anything up?
        Zev 18y ago
        Jobs. I thought the reference about being forcibly removed made it obvious. Sorry for the confusion.
        gravitycop 18y ago
        Wasn't NeXT set up by Steve Jobs in 1985, around the time he was removed from Apple? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXT#1985.E2.80.931986:_Founding_NeXT http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXT#1985.E2.80.931986:_Foundin... After several months of being sidelined at Apple, Jobs resigned on Friday, September 13, 1985. He told the board he was leaving to set up a new computer company, and that he would be taking several Apple employees from the SuperMicro division with him. He also told the board that his new company would not compete with Apple and might even consider licensing its designs back to them to market under the Macintosh brand. Jobs was joined by former Apple employees Bud Tribble, George Crow, Rich Page, Susan Barnes, Susan Kare, and Dan'l Lewin
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- steveplace 18y ago
  Because their cash flow from their current product lines will dry up as soon as he leaves.

numair 18y ago

"...Long-term, I think Apple will succeed, with or without Jobs at the helm..." You obviously weren't with us in the 90s.

netcan 18y ago
You know, I'm sure Jobs did good. But I think a lot of it was timing. Apple's thing is all-in-one machines that are sexy. Always has been. Phones, MP3s players, maybe TVs & that whole market really moved towards Apple's pre-existing strategies. The 90s were about being able to afford to put a computer on each desk. They were never as good at that.
- dreish 18y ago
  I disagree. They had style and vision in the 80s, and in the 90s they were just selling fungible beige boxes. If the person at the top doesn't care passionately about design, it isn't going to just well up from below. Employees who care about design and have a good eye for it will fail to get recognized, and see that happen to others, and they'll get demoralized and leave. Certainly I hope Jobs gets well, but if he doesn't, I think the key for Apple will be picking a successor who cares about the same things he cares about.
  - netcan 18y ago
    Maybe. Actually, I don't disagree with you, Jobs is good at what he does. Very good. But I think things like how their strategy interacted with the timing, stages of maturity in markets, technology & such, they played a role. At the moment, Apple has a range of potential, growing or existing product classes that they are ideally positioned to take advantage of: netbooks, tablets, whatever else becomes the next computer.The only worry is spreading too thin. What I am saying is that the world really did come back to them to an extent. It's not just Ninja leadership & it's hard to tell what is responsible for what exactly.
Zev 18y ago
How Steve was outed in the 80's is far different then how he would leave if he had to leave today. In the 80's, he was forcibly removed from his position and couldn't set anything up. Today? Apple has people like Schiller, Ive and Cook - all more then capable - to run things. //edit: Fixed the dates. Thanks for pointing it out. And yes, I did typo twice ><
- gravitycop 18y ago
  Steve was outed in the 90's 80's. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs#Beginnings_of_Apple_Computer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs#Beginnings_of_Apple_...
  - Zev 18y ago
    Typo. They keys are right next to each other and all. Sorry about that.
    - gravitycop 18y ago
      Why did you say: he was forcibly removed from his position and couldn't set anything up. ? Did you mean Apple couldn't set anything up, or Jobs couldn't set anything up?
      - Zev 18y ago
        Jobs. I thought the reference about being forcibly removed made it obvious. Sorry for the confusion.
        gravitycop 18y ago
        Wasn't NeXT set up by Steve Jobs in 1985, around the time he was removed from Apple? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXT#1985.E2.80.931986:_Founding_NeXT http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXT#1985.E2.80.931986:_Foundin... After several months of being sidelined at Apple, Jobs resigned on Friday, September 13, 1985. He told the board he was leaving to set up a new computer company, and that he would be taking several Apple employees from the SuperMicro division with him. He also told the board that his new company would not compete with Apple and might even consider licensing its designs back to them to market under the Macintosh brand. Jobs was joined by former Apple employees Bud Tribble, George Crow, Rich Page, Susan Barnes, Susan Kare, and Dan'l Lewin
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steveplace 18y ago
Because their cash flow from their current product lines will dry up as soon as he leaves.