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Ubuntu lost its way a long time ago. Pushing Snap by default, ads in the Unity Dash search, ads in the terminal... Unity itself was a misstep, and around the ti

by imiric 2y ago

Ubuntu lost its way a long time ago. Pushing Snap by default, ads in the Unity Dash search, ads in the terminal... Unity itself was a misstep, and around the time the distro started going downhill for me. I don't follow it much these days, but nothing really surprises me from Canonical anymore. They leech off free software just like any other corporation.

queuebert 2y ago
I just realized this today. When trying to upgrade an EOL-ed Ubuntu machine using 'do-release-upgrade', it completely shat the bed. Now I'm in search of an alternative distro that has good GPU support, rolling releases, no systemd. Maybe OpenSUSE? If there are any SV billionaires out there, can you fund CUDA on OpenBSD please? :-P
- yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
  No systemd really limits the options (including that OpenSUSE uses it, so I'm not sure how to read your comment). Maybe Artix Linux? That's rolling release systemd-free, though I don't know about graphics drivers. I would have suggested Pop!_OS, with has an awful name but is basically like Ubuntu without the bad stuff and excellent graphics drivers, but it has systemd and isn't rolling so YMMV.
  - queuebert 2y ago
    Oops, my read was that you can opt out of systemd with OpenSUSE without much trouble.
- agalush 2y ago
  I don't know about the good GPU support and is not a rolling release, but Devuan is a systemd-free Debian derivative you might be interested with
- anthk 2y ago
  You can run Trisquel Mate, but you need to set the propietary kernel and CUDA on your own. You can use the Xanmod kernel, the headers and the prop NV installer, but you will be less free on freedoom. With Intel and OpenCL (or whatever intel uses today), you might loss performance, but you gain compatibility and you are not bound to Intel X86, in case you want to try further Power9 based stations.
- Y_Y 2y ago
  I use Nonguix with a RTX2080 and am very happy with that. Similarly to Nix it's marvellous, but not for the faint of heart.
saghm 2y ago
Whatever happened to the whole debate around Ubuntu including ZFS modules by default in Ubuntu? At the time it originally got proposed, I feel like I remember basically everyone other than Canonical agreeing that this wasn't allowed by the licenses of Linux and ZFS, but they did it anyways, and from what I can tell, they basically got away with it? Unless I'm remembering it wrong, I'm honestly not surprised that they might just be less worried about licensing in general after that; maybe this is the software licensing equivalent of "too big to fail"?
- mustache_kimono 2y ago
  > from what I can tell, they basically got away with it? Or they correctly interpreted the law? Few of us care to admit how this "legal consensus" is mostly BS. Lots of evidence to the contrary, but, like politics these days, it sure is an appealing fantasy?
  - saghm 2y ago
    I don't pretend to have any legal expertise on the matter. All I know is that I remember reading stuff that made me think there was a consensus that this wasn't allowed by the licenses, and that they did it and I didn't notice any consequences. Maybe it was BS, but I think it's also fair to argue that there's quite a lot of licensing terms in software that haven't been fully established via precedent in the courts yet and instead mostly ends up being followed out of risk aversion rather than anyone being totally 100% sure how a court would rule (which isn't something people can necessarily predict on _any_ given issue, rather than something specific to software licenses). If the common consensus was BS, I actually don't think that detracts from the larger point I was trying to make much; I probably distracted from it too much with my over-enthusiastic wordplay at the end, but my original intent was to convey that Canonical might just intentionally have decided that they aren't concerned with the types of licensing issues that people are discussing here with regards to coreutils. If my theory is correct, it's due to sound legal judgment or intentional non-compliance isn't something I have any strong insight into; I mostly just thought it was worth suggesting that what people here think about it might not really matter all that much because it seems unlikely to me that they'll either be convinced to change their plans or suffer significant negative consequences from going forward with what they've decided, regardless of whether it's right or wrong.
nosrepa 2y ago
Ubuntu stopped being Ubuntu when it stopped being brown.

by imiric 2y ago

queuebert 2y ago

I just realized this today. When trying to upgrade an EOL-ed Ubuntu machine using 'do-release-upgrade', it completely shat the bed. Now I'm in search of an alternative distro that has good GPU support, rolling releases, no systemd. Maybe OpenSUSE? If there are any SV billionaires out there, can you fund CUDA on OpenBSD please? :-P

yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
No systemd really limits the options (including that OpenSUSE uses it, so I'm not sure how to read your comment). Maybe Artix Linux? That's rolling release systemd-free, though I don't know about graphics drivers. I would have suggested Pop!_OS, with has an awful name but is basically like Ubuntu without the bad stuff and excellent graphics drivers, but it has systemd and isn't rolling so YMMV.
- queuebert 2y ago
  Oops, my read was that you can opt out of systemd with OpenSUSE without much trouble.
agalush 2y ago
I don't know about the good GPU support and is not a rolling release, but Devuan is a systemd-free Debian derivative you might be interested with
anthk 2y ago
You can run Trisquel Mate, but you need to set the propietary kernel and CUDA on your own. You can use the Xanmod kernel, the headers and the prop NV installer, but you will be less free on freedoom. With Intel and OpenCL (or whatever intel uses today), you might loss performance, but you gain compatibility and you are not bound to Intel X86, in case you want to try further Power9 based stations.
Y_Y 2y ago
I use Nonguix with a RTX2080 and am very happy with that. Similarly to Nix it's marvellous, but not for the faint of heart.

saghm 2y ago

Whatever happened to the whole debate around Ubuntu including ZFS modules by default in Ubuntu? At the time it originally got proposed, I feel like I remember basically everyone other than Canonical agreeing that this wasn't allowed by the licenses of Linux and ZFS, but they did it anyways, and from what I can tell, they basically got away with it? Unless I'm remembering it wrong, I'm honestly not surprised that they might just be less worried about licensing in general after that; maybe this is the software licensing equivalent of "too big to fail"?

mustache_kimono 2y ago
> from what I can tell, they basically got away with it? Or they correctly interpreted the law? Few of us care to admit how this "legal consensus" is mostly BS. Lots of evidence to the contrary, but, like politics these days, it sure is an appealing fantasy?
- saghm 2y ago
  I don't pretend to have any legal expertise on the matter. All I know is that I remember reading stuff that made me think there was a consensus that this wasn't allowed by the licenses, and that they did it and I didn't notice any consequences. Maybe it was BS, but I think it's also fair to argue that there's quite a lot of licensing terms in software that haven't been fully established via precedent in the courts yet and instead mostly ends up being followed out of risk aversion rather than anyone being totally 100% sure how a court would rule (which isn't something people can necessarily predict on _any_ given issue, rather than something specific to software licenses). If the common consensus was BS, I actually don't think that detracts from the larger point I was trying to make much; I probably distracted from it too much with my over-enthusiastic wordplay at the end, but my original intent was to convey that Canonical might just intentionally have decided that they aren't concerned with the types of licensing issues that people are discussing here with regards to coreutils. If my theory is correct, it's due to sound legal judgment or intentional non-compliance isn't something I have any strong insight into; I mostly just thought it was worth suggesting that what people here think about it might not really matter all that much because it seems unlikely to me that they'll either be convinced to change their plans or suffer significant negative consequences from going forward with what they've decided, regardless of whether it's right or wrong.

nosrepa 2y ago

Ubuntu stopped being Ubuntu when it stopped being brown.