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We have by far the highest rate of police-on-civilian violence among developed countries. Our peers on this metric are nations like angola, honduras, mali, colo
by giraffe_lady 2y ago
We have by far the highest rate of police-on-civilian violence among developed countries. Our peers on this metric are nations like angola, honduras, mali, colombia. It's not a bias.
We certainly have some excellent procedural innovations in our court system. But we absolutely do have other problems that are much worse than those faced within the carceral systems of other countries at a similar level of wealth and development.
- tptacek 2y agoI was responding to the argument made in the parent comment, not making a general case for the US being superior or in any way rebutting anything in the article itself.
- loeg 2y agoEhh, how do our rates of civilian-on-police violence compare to other developed countries?
- giraffe_lady 2y agoWell you can quit being a cop if you don't like the experience. You can't decide to quit having police if you don't like how they treat you.
- loeg 2y agoI don't think that's responsive to my comment. What I'm getting at is -- it is reasonable for police to use self-defense. So I'd expect higher police-on-civilian violence rates in places with higher civilian-on-police violence rates.
- giraffe_lady 2y agoI don't accept the point that it's generally acceptable for police to use violence in self defense. It is easy to imagine the point where safety to the public demands an individual cop accept personal danger. This is widely understood, it is all over the messaging about the inherent heroism of policing. If they want the credit for this danger, they have to face the risk itself. But anyway yeah we're way off track and your original point really seemed to be something like "but maybe the civilians deserve it" so I have not taken it seriously at any point and will continue not to.
- loeg 2y agoYeah, it seems like we're going to have to agree to disagree on this.