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the study they're talking about seems to be this one, which is primarily discussing PM2.5 pollution. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journ

the study they're talking about seems to be this one, which is primarily discussing PM2.5 pollution. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0307096 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal... ~15% of the PM2.5 pollution in NYC comes from vehicle traffic, so if you're concerned about that then maybe driving isn't the solution to your problems. if you were actually concerned about your PM2.5 exposure levels, you should be applauding any effort to get cars off the street. https://a816-dohbesp.nyc.gov/IndicatorPublic/data-stories/traffic-and-air-pollution/ https://a816-dohbesp.nyc.gov/IndicatorPublic/data-stories/tr...

autoexec 2y ago
Lots of things are also bad for you, but not only is pollution higher underground than at street level, the pollution on the subway is from iron-based particles which present different dangers. I'm all for reducing traffic, but not when it's done by packing more and more people into tunnels filled with unsafe levels of neurotoxins. 'Fix the public transportation to make it safe before forcing more people to take it" shouldn't be a controversial idea.
- stouset 2y ago
  Your answer is to literally add more of the thing creating the pollution. This is not a serious opinion. Mind you, overwhelmingly more people are killed by cars directly or through environmental pollution than from breathing in toxins while riding public transportation. Your focus on this is bizarre.
  - autoexec 2y ago
    > Your answer is to literally add more of the thing creating the pollution. No, the pollution in the subway contains high amounts of iron which comes from the trains (the metal wheels, brakes, and rails) and doesn't come from the cars on the street. Cars have their own pollution problems sure, but they're also out in the open. The neurotoxins produced by the trains are building up in tunnels and flooding enclosed stations every time a train goes by. If you have to spend an hour either standing outside on the sidewalk near the deadly and evil cars or down on the platform near the trains, choose the sidewalk. If we're determined to use things like congestion pricing to strong arm more and more people into going into the subway tunnels the very least we can do is make them safe to breathe in first. Improved ventilation and replacing the wheel system on the trains should help to do that. Then we can reduce the number of cars on the road without knowingly poisoning more and more of the population in the process.
    - stouset 2y ago
      > If you have to spend an hour either standing outside on the sidewalk near the deadly and evil cars or down on the platform near the trains, choose the sidewalk. Do you have any idea of how many pedestrians are killed by cars every year? This is like choosing to drive across the country instead of taking a plane out of fear of the additional X-rays you get while flying. This is not a serious argument.
      - autoexec 2y ago
        > This is like choosing to drive across the country instead of taking a plane out of fear of the additional X-rays you get while flying. If I knew that by flying I'd be exposed to radiation at levels 17 times higher than what was already considered unsafe* driving might start to look a lot better. *Yes, technically, there isn't really a "safe" level of radiation. There is a range that is generally considered acceptable and a range which is basically unavoidable, but you know what I mean

autoexec 2y ago

Lots of things are also bad for you, but not only is pollution higher underground than at street level, the pollution on the subway is from iron-based particles which present different dangers. I'm all for reducing traffic, but not when it's done by packing more and more people into tunnels filled with unsafe levels of neurotoxins. 'Fix the public transportation to make it safe before forcing more people to take it" shouldn't be a controversial idea.

stouset 2y ago
Your answer is to literally add more of the thing creating the pollution. This is not a serious opinion. Mind you, overwhelmingly more people are killed by cars directly or through environmental pollution than from breathing in toxins while riding public transportation. Your focus on this is bizarre.
- autoexec 2y ago
  > Your answer is to literally add more of the thing creating the pollution. No, the pollution in the subway contains high amounts of iron which comes from the trains (the metal wheels, brakes, and rails) and doesn't come from the cars on the street. Cars have their own pollution problems sure, but they're also out in the open. The neurotoxins produced by the trains are building up in tunnels and flooding enclosed stations every time a train goes by. If you have to spend an hour either standing outside on the sidewalk near the deadly and evil cars or down on the platform near the trains, choose the sidewalk. If we're determined to use things like congestion pricing to strong arm more and more people into going into the subway tunnels the very least we can do is make them safe to breathe in first. Improved ventilation and replacing the wheel system on the trains should help to do that. Then we can reduce the number of cars on the road without knowingly poisoning more and more of the population in the process.
  - stouset 2y ago
    > If you have to spend an hour either standing outside on the sidewalk near the deadly and evil cars or down on the platform near the trains, choose the sidewalk. Do you have any idea of how many pedestrians are killed by cars every year? This is like choosing to drive across the country instead of taking a plane out of fear of the additional X-rays you get while flying. This is not a serious argument.
    - autoexec 2y ago
      > This is like choosing to drive across the country instead of taking a plane out of fear of the additional X-rays you get while flying. If I knew that by flying I'd be exposed to radiation at levels 17 times higher than what was already considered unsafe* driving might start to look a lot better. *Yes, technically, there isn't really a "safe" level of radiation. There is a range that is generally considered acceptable and a range which is basically unavoidable, but you know what I mean