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Trump Touts Prison in El Salvador for Tesla Attackers

24 points by archagon 2y ago

jfengel 2y ago
If these are US citizens, that would be an extreme crime. Even criminals in the US have rights, and sending them beyond US jurisdiction is a clear and obvious violation. The kind that even somebody who supports the administration could not tolerate, if they had even a shred of integrity left. If that happens, it means that any political opponent is at risk of losing every single right. That is an overwhelming constitutional crisis and I cannot see any ending that is not catastrophic.
- mbfg 2y ago
  i think you'd be surprised what supporters could tolerate. "It's not happening to me...."
  - jfengel 2y ago
    I would not be surprised. So I think they might be surprised by just how extreme the response is. If their political opponents can be disappeared, they will have nothing to lose.
- archagon 2y ago
  I truly think the diehard MAGA supporters can't wait to see AOC in chains in El Salvador.
  - userlander 2y ago
    I can't wait to see AOC as President
- catlover76 2y ago
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- osiyo 2y ago
  This to me is hilarious. I live in the rural south-east and find myself surrounded by the people that cheered this administration on. Sampling the opinions around me, they are about as unhappy with this admin as the left. Yet when I go on the internet, I see these right-wing Trump supporters making arguments in support of stuff like this with the most hollow and rabid nature. Have any of you considered that the US Gov just does whatever it wants and manufactures at least a large percentage of the consent we see in digital media?
  - jfengel 2y ago
    I cannot imagine why they are unhappy. It was abundantly clear that this was what they were going to get. And I'd be willing to bet that if the election were re-run today they'd make the same choice.
    - cmurf 2y ago
      I think they're unhappy Trump isn't exclusively punishing their political enemies. The broad attack on government programs that help everybody is not what they wanted, they know it's going to hurt themselves. Electing a mad man or dictator is not equivalent to 3/4 of the states ratifying an amendment to the Constitution. The Yarvin, Thiel, Musk view of using autogolpe to place a CEO-dictatorship in place of Constitutional order is in progress. But the People haven't consented to that. Proposing that they have does enormously heavy lifting for this patrimonial diarchy movement.
      - jfengel 2y ago
        It is my belief that when all is said and done, they'll be happy enough that the damage mostly fell on their opponents. That seems to be their top priority; they believe that they'll recover once the opposition is snuffed out. But we'll see. Assuming there is an election next year, they'll have a chance to signal their disapproval. In many cases it will suffice for them to simply stay home. My prediction is that they will vote to affirm this self coup. I would very much like to be proven wrong.
    - 2y ago
- PicassoCTs 2y ago
  He does all the crime, all the time. Every law is a limit he has to test. The us has fallen, its time to leave while you still can.
AnimalMuppet 2y ago
He seems to have forgotten that El Salvador is for those who are not US citizens. He either doesn't understand why that matters, or he doesn't care. He just wants to punish people that he wants punished, and it doesn't matter how. Rules? Why should they apply to him? His actions, his arrogance, and his disregard for the rule of law disgust me multiple times a day. And he seems to think Tesla dealerships deserve more protection than the Congress building does. But at least this time he said "if convicted". That's a start...
- jfengel 2y ago
  And indeed, why should they apply to him. He was elected democratically. Any rules in place will also be repealed. If he's doing it in the wrong order, it's just a technicality. That's the rule of law in a democracy. We were warned since Plato that it meant mob rule. The demos voted for bread and circuses, and that's what we're getting. Well, circuses first. Maybe bread later.
  - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
    Why should they apply? Because we are not a pure democracy. We are about the rule of law. An awful lot of what's going on seems to be about whether we have the rule of law or the rule of Trump. Do we have a president, or a king? I want rule of law. I want the president constrained by the constitution, not able to do everything that comes into his head.
    - howard941 2y ago
      We have a tyrant.

24 points by archagon 2y ago

If these are US citizens, that would be an extreme crime. Even criminals in the US have rights, and sending them beyond US jurisdiction is a clear and obvious violation. The kind that even somebody who supports the administration could not tolerate, if they had even a shred of integrity left. If that happens, it means that any political opponent is at risk of losing every single right. That is an overwhelming constitutional crisis and I cannot see any ending that is not catastrophic.

mbfg 2y ago
i think you'd be surprised what supporters could tolerate. "It's not happening to me...."
- jfengel 2y ago
  I would not be surprised. So I think they might be surprised by just how extreme the response is. If their political opponents can be disappeared, they will have nothing to lose.
archagon 2y ago
I truly think the diehard MAGA supporters can't wait to see AOC in chains in El Salvador.
- userlander 2y ago
  I can't wait to see AOC as President
catlover76 2y ago
[dead]
osiyo 2y ago
This to me is hilarious. I live in the rural south-east and find myself surrounded by the people that cheered this administration on. Sampling the opinions around me, they are about as unhappy with this admin as the left. Yet when I go on the internet, I see these right-wing Trump supporters making arguments in support of stuff like this with the most hollow and rabid nature. Have any of you considered that the US Gov just does whatever it wants and manufactures at least a large percentage of the consent we see in digital media?
- jfengel 2y ago
  I cannot imagine why they are unhappy. It was abundantly clear that this was what they were going to get. And I'd be willing to bet that if the election were re-run today they'd make the same choice.
  - cmurf 2y ago
    I think they're unhappy Trump isn't exclusively punishing their political enemies. The broad attack on government programs that help everybody is not what they wanted, they know it's going to hurt themselves. Electing a mad man or dictator is not equivalent to 3/4 of the states ratifying an amendment to the Constitution. The Yarvin, Thiel, Musk view of using autogolpe to place a CEO-dictatorship in place of Constitutional order is in progress. But the People haven't consented to that. Proposing that they have does enormously heavy lifting for this patrimonial diarchy movement.
    - jfengel 2y ago
      It is my belief that when all is said and done, they'll be happy enough that the damage mostly fell on their opponents. That seems to be their top priority; they believe that they'll recover once the opposition is snuffed out. But we'll see. Assuming there is an election next year, they'll have a chance to signal their disapproval. In many cases it will suffice for them to simply stay home. My prediction is that they will vote to affirm this self coup. I would very much like to be proven wrong.
  - 2y ago
PicassoCTs 2y ago
He does all the crime, all the time. Every law is a limit he has to test. The us has fallen, its time to leave while you still can.

AnimalMuppet 2y ago

He seems to have forgotten that El Salvador is for those who are not US citizens. He either doesn't understand why that matters, or he doesn't care. He just wants to punish people that he wants punished, and it doesn't matter how. Rules? Why should they apply to him? His actions, his arrogance, and his disregard for the rule of law disgust me multiple times a day. And he seems to think Tesla dealerships deserve more protection than the Congress building does. But at least this time he said "if convicted". That's a start...

jfengel 2y ago
And indeed, why should they apply to him. He was elected democratically. Any rules in place will also be repealed. If he's doing it in the wrong order, it's just a technicality. That's the rule of law in a democracy. We were warned since Plato that it meant mob rule. The demos voted for bread and circuses, and that's what we're getting. Well, circuses first. Maybe bread later.
- AnimalMuppet 2y ago
  Why should they apply? Because we are not a pure democracy. We are about the rule of law. An awful lot of what's going on seems to be about whether we have the rule of law or the rule of Trump. Do we have a president, or a king? I want rule of law. I want the president constrained by the constitution, not able to do everything that comes into his head.
  - howard941 2y ago
    We have a tyrant.