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Going to hard disagree with most of this. At any giant company with tons of executives (the article talks about the "Top 100" alone), if you didn't have at leas

Going to hard disagree with most of this. At any giant company with tons of executives (the article talks about the "Top 100" alone), if you didn't have at least some misfires then it probably means you're being too conservative. If anything, I give Apple props for making management changes relatively quickly when things aren't working out. For example, I have the exact opposite view of the forcing out of Scott Forstall, which after reading what I think are fairly accurate descriptions of what went down was absolutely the right thing to do IMO. Forstall refused to own up to failures under his watch, which is an absolutely toxic trait in leadership (side note, when you're at that level it doesn't matter if the failure was "your fault", you still need to take responsibility for what happened, identify the root cause and make changes to reduce the possibility of it happening in the future). I am not an iPhone user, but every time the issue of Apple Maps comes ups, people say they love using it and that it's improved leaps and bounds over the years since Forstall was forced out.

whoknowsidont 2y ago
>if you didn't have at least some misfires then it probably means you're being too conservative. Think you've dunked too far into the McKinsey kool-aid here.
- hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
  Bullshit, because I don't even know what "the McKinsey kool-aid" is on this topic. But the best companies/teams I've worked at realized that some mistakes are inevitable, and they had a culture that quickly remedied those mistakes, learned from them, and moved on. The worst companies either (a) had "analysis paralysis" issues or (b) made lots of the same mistakes over and over and refused to learn.
ksec 2y ago
> Forstall refused to own up to failures under his watch Own up for what? Has anyone from Apple own up to Apple Intelligence or other design failures? Even in antenna gate Steve Jobs was defending it as holding it wrong. The firing of Scott was simply a power play. No one expected Maps to be perfect on first try. And it took Apple another 8-10 years before it was useable. But the Map Fiasco, if you could call it that. Was brown out of proportion with zero damage control from PR. A company that perhaps has the best PR department in history of cooperate America. If people are not reading between the line, Apple wanted him out, and very publicly. >(the article talks about the "Top 100" alone) Top 100, if that is indeed what it is has also completely changed. It used to be the 100 people Steve Jobs hand picked that if the company failed who he would recruit again for the next venture. And it is nothing "Top". You could be an engineer or doing some other lower level work but still included in the 100. Now from that article Top 100 becomes management level meetings.
- labcomputer 2y ago
  > Own up for what? The epic failure that was the launch of de-google’d Apple Maps. Apparently Tim didn’t like putting his signature on the apology letter apologizing to customers. https://web.archive.org/web/20130110043350/http://www.apple.com/letter-from-tim-cook-on-maps/ https://web.archive.org/web/20130110043350/http://www.apple....

whoknowsidont 2y ago

>if you didn't have at least some misfires then it probably means you're being too conservative. Think you've dunked too far into the McKinsey kool-aid here.

hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
Bullshit, because I don't even know what "the McKinsey kool-aid" is on this topic. But the best companies/teams I've worked at realized that some mistakes are inevitable, and they had a culture that quickly remedied those mistakes, learned from them, and moved on. The worst companies either (a) had "analysis paralysis" issues or (b) made lots of the same mistakes over and over and refused to learn.

ksec 2y ago

> Forstall refused to own up to failures under his watch Own up for what? Has anyone from Apple own up to Apple Intelligence or other design failures? Even in antenna gate Steve Jobs was defending it as holding it wrong. The firing of Scott was simply a power play. No one expected Maps to be perfect on first try. And it took Apple another 8-10 years before it was useable. But the Map Fiasco, if you could call it that. Was brown out of proportion with zero damage control from PR. A company that perhaps has the best PR department in history of cooperate America. If people are not reading between the line, Apple wanted him out, and very publicly. >(the article talks about the "Top 100" alone) Top 100, if that is indeed what it is has also completely changed. It used to be the 100 people Steve Jobs hand picked that if the company failed who he would recruit again for the next venture. And it is nothing "Top". You could be an engineer or doing some other lower level work but still included in the 100. Now from that article Top 100 becomes management level meetings.

labcomputer 2y ago
> Own up for what? The epic failure that was the launch of de-google’d Apple Maps. Apparently Tim didn’t like putting his signature on the apology letter apologizing to customers. https://web.archive.org/web/20130110043350/http://www.apple.com/letter-from-tim-cook-on-maps/ https://web.archive.org/web/20130110043350/http://www.apple....