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The subway fare includes the cost of energy to get there and parking.

• ty6853 2y ago
  That seems doubtful but possible since fares of public transit tend to run at a loss. Most public transit just offloaded the cost on poor who must drive to less accessible and less wealthy unserviced areas as collected tax expenditures from their checks.
  • stouset 2y ago
    Your mind is going to be blown when you find out how much it costs to own and operate a car, not to mention how much it costs in terms of time to commute back and forth.
    • ty6853 2y ago
      Sure, you have to pay for public road parasitism by pedestrian, public transit on roads funded partially by fuel taxes, and heavy road destroying vehicles. Not that I blame them, they're taking advantage of incentives offered. Who wouldn't want to bike on a road funded by car owners and then buy goods transported by 18 wheelers that end up destroying the road disproportionately to the point it is small passenger cars that get the biggest squeeze. It's not dumb to not want to be the sucker, the urban yuppies on transit routes are great at squeezing the working class that way.
      • stouset 2y ago
        Roads are overwhelmingly funded by property taxes. Try again.
        • ty6853 2y ago
          Property taxes are regressive tax, analogous but not equal to the way sales tax is, try again.
          • stouset 2y ago
            Whether or not they're regressive, they are the primary means of funding the roads. Drivers don't fund roads, everyone does.
            • ty6853 2y ago
              Which means again it's an offloading from poor working class who tend to live in shittier transit access areas where a car (and its road taxes) is more necessary, regressively upwards. Public transit as implemented in US is a regressive middle class welfare program.
              • stouset 2y ago
                Which has precisely fuck-all to do with the point you were originally trying to make. If you want to now start arguing that that roads themselves are a regressive tax on the poor, then you should be triply in favor of public transportation options. > shittier transit access areas Public transit advocates literally want to expand public transit to cover more and more of these areas. We also want to build more housing in dense areas, so it is effectively cheaper to live there. The answer is not throwing our hands up in the air and forcing the poor to live further and further away from their jobs and economic centers, foisting upon them the exorbitant expense of roads, cars, fuel, and time spent commuting.
                • ty6853 2y ago
                  https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/state-infrastructure-spending/ https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/state-infrastructur... Your premise is false to begin with. In NY the roads are 60% funded by use taxes like fuel taxes, not majority property tax. It's hard to take your argument with much weight until it sits on the slightest vestige of factual foundation, which seems missing. I'm not against mass transit, I'm saying maybe it should be privatized so the users bear the cost rather than shifting it on the poor. To expand on the status quo or make it even more 'public' is insanity.