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The answer has always been to create guidelines under which capitalism is allowed to operate that align with the goals of society. Congestion pricing and carbo

The answer has always been to create guidelines under which capitalism is allowed to operate that align with the goals of society. Congestion pricing and carbon taxes.

jampekka 2y ago
I.e. get the less well off to bear the brunt.
- danny_codes 2y ago
  Car dependency is a much bigger tax on the poor than congestion pricing. Disincentivizing car travel and incentivizing public transit is a far greater help to the poor than any other conceivable transit policy. Most places in America require you to pay 10k a year just to participate. Places with good transit and progressive fare policies require $0 to participate, or a nominal amount.
  - jampekka 2y ago
    You can incentivize public transport without car tolls. You can disincentivize car travel in various eqalitarian ways, typically by making driving harder or impossible.
    - Tostino 2y ago
      You still have deliveries and other business related uses for the roadways in NYC. Clearing the roads up for higher economic value activity while also increasing the public transportation reliability and speed seems like a win all around.
      - jampekka 2y ago
        You can ban or restrict private cars but still allow business related uses. This is how it's done in many places. It would actually clear the roads even more for the higher economic value activity!
- rsoto2 2y ago
  Cars have literally destroyed the walkability of every hometown in America, and are a major factor in accidents and death. Us poors bore the brunt of all you car-money having losers.
  - jampekka 2y ago
    Cars are quite easy to get rid off by e.g. banning them from roads that are wanted more walkable. Less drastically you can e.g. have pedestrian priority on the road and very low speed limits. Both and more are used widely and successfully around the world.
    - rcpt 2y ago
      > ban cars So easy. Nobody will object
      - jampekka 2y ago
        Done on many roads in many cities world wide.
rcpt 2y ago
Land Value Tax
93po 2y ago
im inline with that as long as capitalism is used to fund unconditional housing, food, education, and healthcare for everyone. there's literally no reason as a species and society why we can't physically make this happen

The answer has always been to create guidelines under which capitalism is allowed to operate that align with the goals of society. Congestion pricing and carbon taxes.

jampekka 2y ago

I.e. get the less well off to bear the brunt.

danny_codes 2y ago
Car dependency is a much bigger tax on the poor than congestion pricing. Disincentivizing car travel and incentivizing public transit is a far greater help to the poor than any other conceivable transit policy. Most places in America require you to pay 10k a year just to participate. Places with good transit and progressive fare policies require $0 to participate, or a nominal amount.
- jampekka 2y ago
  You can incentivize public transport without car tolls. You can disincentivize car travel in various eqalitarian ways, typically by making driving harder or impossible.
  - Tostino 2y ago
    You still have deliveries and other business related uses for the roadways in NYC. Clearing the roads up for higher economic value activity while also increasing the public transportation reliability and speed seems like a win all around.
    - jampekka 2y ago
      You can ban or restrict private cars but still allow business related uses. This is how it's done in many places. It would actually clear the roads even more for the higher economic value activity!
rsoto2 2y ago
Cars have literally destroyed the walkability of every hometown in America, and are a major factor in accidents and death. Us poors bore the brunt of all you car-money having losers.
- jampekka 2y ago
  Cars are quite easy to get rid off by e.g. banning them from roads that are wanted more walkable. Less drastically you can e.g. have pedestrian priority on the road and very low speed limits. Both and more are used widely and successfully around the world.
  - rcpt 2y ago
    > ban cars So easy. Nobody will object
    - jampekka 2y ago
      Done on many roads in many cities world wide.

rcpt 2y ago

Land Value Tax

93po 2y ago

im inline with that as long as capitalism is used to fund unconditional housing, food, education, and healthcare for everyone. there's literally no reason as a species and society why we can't physically make this happen