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You will never charge enough money that it will hurt rich people. Take their money and use it to improve the subway. The way to get rich people on the subway is

You will never charge enough money that it will hurt rich people. Take their money and use it to improve the subway. The way to get rich people on the subway is to improve quality.

mannyv 2y ago
You will never get rich people on the subway because they value time, convenience, comfort, and privacy, four things the subway really doesn't provide.
- estebank 2y ago
  It can provide the first 3 of those. And conflating "privacy" with "not being around people" is IMO inaccurate. Not learning how to be around people is also I think a driver of some larger societal issues.
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  "A developed country is not a place where the poor have cars. It's where the rich use public transportation." Celebs on the subway isn't that unusual in NYC. https://www.eonline.com/photos/6722/stars-on-the-subway https://www.eonline.com/photos/6722/stars-on-the-subway
- giaour 2y ago
  I haven't lived in NYC for about a decade, but the subway was the quickest and most convenient way to get from my home (lower Harlem) to my place of work (Flatiron district). Taking a taxi was more comfortable and private, but it took longer and was subject to the vagaries of traffic and cab availability.
- jakelazaroff 2y ago
  Not at all true in NYC. Rich or poor, car owner or not, basically everyone takes the subway.
- IncreasePosts 2y ago
  Have you ever been to NY? The subway is often the best way to get around the city, especially if you're in Manhattan.
jjmarr 2y ago
The subway needs a rich person car. It costs double the fare, but is cleaned more frequently and is free of the screamers/crazy people.
- giaour 2y ago
  Are there any intra-city trains that have fare classes? Inter-city trains sell plenty of first-class tickets for the same value proposition, but I've never seen it on public transit (although I've only ever seen transit in North America and Europe).
  - cryptopian 2y ago
    Most medium-to-long distance trains in Europe have 1st class compartments. These can range from just being quieter because of the increased price, to spacious seats with complimentary food and drink. Italian high speed rail has business class with hireable meeting rooms[0] [0] https://www.trenitalia.com/it/le_frecce/frecciarossa-per-il-business.html https://www.trenitalia.com/it/le_frecce/frecciarossa-per-il-...
  - j16sdiz 2y ago
    I think German and Hong Kong have them.
  - dustincoates 2y ago
    The Paris métro had it until the early 90s, although it had been not so well enforced by the time they got rid of it. https://www.messynessychic.com/2014/12/04/that-time-the-paris-metro-was-segregated-by-a-class-system/ https://www.messynessychic.com/2014/12/04/that-time-the-pari...
  - Symbiote 2y ago
    It's reasonably common on regional trains in Europe, meaning the trains that don't stop at every station within a city, but do stop at many or all of the stations between two large cities. (The intercity train only stops at the city.) I've never seen it on a purely urban or suburban train within Europe, but then encountering a "screamer or crazy person" is something that happens perhaps once a year, and only if travelling at unusual times like at night.

You will never charge enough money that it will hurt rich people. Take their money and use it to improve the subway. The way to get rich people on the subway is to improve quality.

mannyv 2y ago

You will never get rich people on the subway because they value time, convenience, comfort, and privacy, four things the subway really doesn't provide.

estebank 2y ago
It can provide the first 3 of those. And conflating "privacy" with "not being around people" is IMO inaccurate. Not learning how to be around people is also I think a driver of some larger societal issues.
ceejayoz 2y ago
"A developed country is not a place where the poor have cars. It's where the rich use public transportation." Celebs on the subway isn't that unusual in NYC. https://www.eonline.com/photos/6722/stars-on-the-subway https://www.eonline.com/photos/6722/stars-on-the-subway
giaour 2y ago
I haven't lived in NYC for about a decade, but the subway was the quickest and most convenient way to get from my home (lower Harlem) to my place of work (Flatiron district). Taking a taxi was more comfortable and private, but it took longer and was subject to the vagaries of traffic and cab availability.
jakelazaroff 2y ago
Not at all true in NYC. Rich or poor, car owner or not, basically everyone takes the subway.
IncreasePosts 2y ago
Have you ever been to NY? The subway is often the best way to get around the city, especially if you're in Manhattan.

jjmarr 2y ago

The subway needs a rich person car. It costs double the fare, but is cleaned more frequently and is free of the screamers/crazy people.

giaour 2y ago
Are there any intra-city trains that have fare classes? Inter-city trains sell plenty of first-class tickets for the same value proposition, but I've never seen it on public transit (although I've only ever seen transit in North America and Europe).
- cryptopian 2y ago
  Most medium-to-long distance trains in Europe have 1st class compartments. These can range from just being quieter because of the increased price, to spacious seats with complimentary food and drink. Italian high speed rail has business class with hireable meeting rooms[0] [0] https://www.trenitalia.com/it/le_frecce/frecciarossa-per-il-business.html https://www.trenitalia.com/it/le_frecce/frecciarossa-per-il-...
- j16sdiz 2y ago
  I think German and Hong Kong have them.
- dustincoates 2y ago
  The Paris métro had it until the early 90s, although it had been not so well enforced by the time they got rid of it. https://www.messynessychic.com/2014/12/04/that-time-the-paris-metro-was-segregated-by-a-class-system/ https://www.messynessychic.com/2014/12/04/that-time-the-pari...
- Symbiote 2y ago
  It's reasonably common on regional trains in Europe, meaning the trains that don't stop at every station within a city, but do stop at many or all of the stations between two large cities. (The intercity train only stops at the city.) I've never seen it on a purely urban or suburban train within Europe, but then encountering a "screamer or crazy person" is something that happens perhaps once a year, and only if travelling at unusual times like at night.