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you should never try to retain someone thats trying to leave. Even if you are successful at the moment they will leave eventually.
by apwell23 2y ago
you should never try to retain someone thats trying to leave. Even if you are successful at the moment they will leave eventually.
- paulryanrogers 2y agoIs this always true? If their only concerns are things a manager can change, then why would they leave if they get what they were seeking elsewhere?
- kyleee 2y agoDefinitely not always true; but commonly stated as truth.
- super_trooper 2y agoNot always true. I've coached people to stay before and they are still at the company. Sometimes they have concerns that actually could be fixed from management. People are complex and have many different reasons for wanting to leave, some fixable some not.
- apwell23 2y ago> Sometimes they have concerns that actually could be fixed from management. curious. what are some examples of this and why do they take threat of leaving before management fixes it.
- paulryanrogers 2y agoMy uncle wanted more money, and when his current employer counter offered he stayed for years afterward.
- aprdm 2y agoNot true in my experience being on both sides of the equation
- bravetraveler 2y agoConversely, if an employer tries to retain you, the safest assumption is '... until your replacement appears' No honor among thieves, etc. I've given every place a chance just to see what happens, it's always been a joke. The dynamics don't work. I was promised $50k last time! Not enough to look over my shoulders even more.
- hackable_sand 2y agoThe idiom is "honor amongst thieves", i.e. MF DOOM: > It don't make no sense, what happened to the loyalty? > Honor amongst crooks, trust amongst royalty.
- bravetraveler 2y agoCredit where it's due, but language exists to be used. I wasn't quoting their work but countless bad movies
- hackable_sand 2y agoAh yes. I see now that your negation works out to be the same expression. Sorry about your rug pull experience though.
- thaumasiotes 2y ago> The idiom is "honor amongst thieves" This is obviously false. But if you really need documentation, https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/44388/is-there-honour-among-thieves-or-not/44392#answer-337625 https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/44388/is-there-h... has collected quite a lot of it.
- hackable_sand 2y agoIt looks like the conclusion on that page supports my claim. > Conclusions The notion, at least, behind the expression "there is honor among thieves" is ancient, and it is expressed (inexactly) by English writers as far back as Daniel Defoe in 1723. A pamphlet published in 1782 describes "there is honour among thieves" as an "adage," so the familiar wording must be considerably older than that date. The counter-proverb, "there is no honour among thieves" is somewhat younger—at least in Google Books search results, with an exact occurrence in 1828 after earlier instances in which writers denied the assertion that honor did exist among thieves.
- driverdan 2y agoIf someone puts in a resignation then sure, let them go. But if they come to you, their manager, and say "I'm thinking about leaving" it's a different situation. They may have a legitimate reason that you can solve to their satisfaction.
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