It's not "indie web", it's "the web" , it still exists and all of the "commercial web" is built on top of it. But we have neglected it. We have not updated e.g

It's not "indie web", it's "the web" , it still exists and all of the "commercial web" is built on top of it. But we have neglected it. We have not updated e.g. the SMTP standard to support something like notifications, or a way to communicate spam lists or contact lists or block lists or subscriptions. We left all those to be taken over by big walled gardens who have every incentive to stop the adoption of new standards that will compete with them. It's in the hands of the engineers