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Thanks for the feedback. 1. I agree that ads aren't usually informative enough. Our ad policy could emphasize informative ads. 2. You say you learn of them th

Thanks for the feedback. 1. I agree that ads aren't usually informative enough. Our ad policy could emphasize informative ads. 2. You say you learn of them through your friends. How do they learn of the products? (If you say, through their friends, then where do their friends learn about it?) 3. Regarding automatically identifying and tracking you, we have mocked up an interface in the Profile section of the mockup (upper-right) whereby you can control what information is collected: https://claude.site/artifacts/7781416a-0be8-4df0-8823-e5d587110cf5 https://claude.site/artifacts/7781416a-0be8-4df0-8823-e5d587... You would be able to see and control what information you want advertisers to see. How do you feel about that as a middle ground? 4. Regarding the effort sounding unserious, I've modified it to read: "We invite feedback about this proposal at our email address: rviragh@gmail.com" Thank you for the feedback.

JohnFen 2y ago
> You say you learn of them through your friends. How do they learn of the products? I don't know, but it's possible that they could do it the same way I do: as a result of actively researching solutions to a problem I'm facing. Or maybe they see ads. However it enters their awareness isn't important to me. Ads aren't important to me for product discovery. When I need a product, I go looking for it. I don't need them to come looking for me. > How do you feel about that as a middle ground? In order to target ads to me, someone needs to be tracking me. Whether it's the advertisers directly or a middleman is not an important distinction for me. In order for me to get paid, someone will have to know my identity and how to pay me, and records will be kept about what ads I've paid attention to and what ads I haven't. I personally find that unacceptable. Is your system able to avoid that?
- logicallee 2y ago
  >Or maybe they see ads. I think so, Facebook and Google ads are frequently how people first learn of products. However, we want to step away from the model of monetizing personal information, while retaining the benefits of informed consumers. >I personally find [tracking] unacceptable. Is your system able to avoid that? Yes, our system can do anything that is possible, and you can literally vote for the prompts that you want. If it's physically possible to do it, then we can do it. Please remember that State of Utopia is not a business. Instead of trying to make profit for its shareholders, it is a sovereign nation and democracy whereby citizens (anyone who wants to be one, no charge, no catch) vote for the prompts they want AI to autonomously execute using state-run and state-owned companies. If you don't want the State of Utopia's companies to build profiles on you, you just vote against it and AI (which by the way the State of Utopia develops as sovereign independent models that the state itself owns) will make sure to follow its prompt. There will be transparency over this. We don't have voting set up yet and only have a rudimentary AI model that cannot autonomously complete tasks or run companies yet, so this is very much a work in progress. Our vision is sending you a free bank card we put money on, and you can just spend free money on whatever you want, never having to work since AI does all the work. The issue we're currently tackling is how will you know what to spend your money on? How will you know about the goods and services we make available? It sounds like your answer defers this to times that you are actively searching for products. Since we intend to have state-run companies in every industry, that includes search as well and we can include ads there. Are you all right with our ads showing up in your search results when using our state search engine to browse for products that meet your needs, and if you can see that these ads do not track you? (By literally seeing the prompt for it.) Let me know if you have any other feedback.
  - JohnFen 2y ago
    > Please remember that State of Utopia is not a business. I'm not talking about the "State of Utopia". I'm talking about advertising. Since I don't really have a clue what this "State of Utopia" is about, if that's the real topic of discussion, then I have nothing useful to add. > It sounds like your answer defers this to times that you are actively searching for products. Yes. > Are you all right with our ads showing up in your search results when using our state search engine to browse for products that meet your needs, and if you can see that these ads do not track you? I would accept that such ads wouldn't have serious ethical issues, if that's what you mean. But, honestly, I wouldn't pay attention to ads. When I'm looking for a solution to some problem I have, a search engine isn't the only (sometimes not even the primary) method I use and I ignore any obvious advertising that may turn up in the course of it. Sales pitches are not useful to me for this.

JohnFen 2y ago

> You say you learn of them through your friends. How do they learn of the products? I don't know, but it's possible that they could do it the same way I do: as a result of actively researching solutions to a problem I'm facing. Or maybe they see ads. However it enters their awareness isn't important to me. Ads aren't important to me for product discovery. When I need a product, I go looking for it. I don't need them to come looking for me. > How do you feel about that as a middle ground? In order to target ads to me, someone needs to be tracking me. Whether it's the advertisers directly or a middleman is not an important distinction for me. In order for me to get paid, someone will have to know my identity and how to pay me, and records will be kept about what ads I've paid attention to and what ads I haven't. I personally find that unacceptable. Is your system able to avoid that?

logicallee 2y ago
>Or maybe they see ads. I think so, Facebook and Google ads are frequently how people first learn of products. However, we want to step away from the model of monetizing personal information, while retaining the benefits of informed consumers. >I personally find [tracking] unacceptable. Is your system able to avoid that? Yes, our system can do anything that is possible, and you can literally vote for the prompts that you want. If it's physically possible to do it, then we can do it. Please remember that State of Utopia is not a business. Instead of trying to make profit for its shareholders, it is a sovereign nation and democracy whereby citizens (anyone who wants to be one, no charge, no catch) vote for the prompts they want AI to autonomously execute using state-run and state-owned companies. If you don't want the State of Utopia's companies to build profiles on you, you just vote against it and AI (which by the way the State of Utopia develops as sovereign independent models that the state itself owns) will make sure to follow its prompt. There will be transparency over this. We don't have voting set up yet and only have a rudimentary AI model that cannot autonomously complete tasks or run companies yet, so this is very much a work in progress. Our vision is sending you a free bank card we put money on, and you can just spend free money on whatever you want, never having to work since AI does all the work. The issue we're currently tackling is how will you know what to spend your money on? How will you know about the goods and services we make available? It sounds like your answer defers this to times that you are actively searching for products. Since we intend to have state-run companies in every industry, that includes search as well and we can include ads there. Are you all right with our ads showing up in your search results when using our state search engine to browse for products that meet your needs, and if you can see that these ads do not track you? (By literally seeing the prompt for it.) Let me know if you have any other feedback.
- JohnFen 2y ago
  > Please remember that State of Utopia is not a business. I'm not talking about the "State of Utopia". I'm talking about advertising. Since I don't really have a clue what this "State of Utopia" is about, if that's the real topic of discussion, then I have nothing useful to add. > It sounds like your answer defers this to times that you are actively searching for products. Yes. > Are you all right with our ads showing up in your search results when using our state search engine to browse for products that meet your needs, and if you can see that these ads do not track you? I would accept that such ads wouldn't have serious ethical issues, if that's what you mean. But, honestly, I wouldn't pay attention to ads. When I'm looking for a solution to some problem I have, a search engine isn't the only (sometimes not even the primary) method I use and I ignore any obvious advertising that may turn up in the course of it. Sales pitches are not useful to me for this.