> treat RDBMS as an application framework and have application itself be a thin UI layer on top? Stored procedures have been a thing. I've seen countless apps

> treat RDBMS as an application framework and have application itself be a thin UI layer on top? Stored procedures have been a thing. I've seen countless apps that had a thin VB UI and a MSSQL backend where most of the logic is implemented. Or, y'know, Access. Or spreadsheets even! And before that AS/400&al. But ORMs came in and the impedance mismatch is then too great. Splitting data wrangling across two completely differing points of views makes it extremely hard to reason about.