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I think the stakes are higher, and the IndieWeb movement is about the future, and it's not just an aesthetic. Allow me a metaphor. Many years ago humans wander
by PaulRobinson 2y ago
I think the stakes are higher, and the IndieWeb movement is about the future, and it's not just an aesthetic.
Allow me a metaphor. Many years ago humans wandered the Earth, hunted and gathered and lived where they wished. Then came along civilisation, and with it, a normalisation not just of trade, but of property. Some people realised that they could "own" the best land, and make people pay a "rent" to use it. And so was born, The Law. The Law was used for a long time in a way that meant people were born into a system where they just accepted there were Lords of the land and those who worked it for an existence. Eventually, people asked important questions, some set out for a New World, others in the Establishment sought to impose The Law in new lands, sometimes accepted, sometimes rejected. After a long, long time, we came to a place in society where we accepted personal property - particularly personal ownership of the land on which you lived - was a just, beneficial and suitable place for civilisation to settle.
Now, back to the web. Right now, we're in a phase of feudalistic control. In order to "feel informed", or to even be entertained, you are required to make sacrifices (your personal data), to a rich group of Lords who demand The Law bends to their will.
The IndieWeb is the web version of freeholding. It won't change the World, but without it, the World can't change.
As a society we have a choice: our future online presence entirely owned and shaped by a handful of "land owners", or we invest in making the New World and creating an online world that we want to see.
This isn't about aesthetics. It's about freedom, democracy, the law, your rights and those of future generations. There's a place for landlords in this World, but please don't try and consign the IndieWeb to a curious retro hobby clan: it has the potential to offer you and many others so, so much more than that.
TFA says that IndieWeb does not need to "take off". I agree. But it also doesn't need putting down or dismissing, and it can adapt to whatever future defining vibe of youth culture it needs to: it is a platform, not an art form. It is land on which to build coffee shops/libraries/museums/diaries, not those things itself.
- fauigerzigerk 2y ago>The IndieWeb is the web version of freeholding. It won't change the World, but without it, the World can't change. Freeholding has always existed since the web was born. The current structure of overwhelmingly dominant landlords was built on top of it. The problem we have is that the IndieWeb is not currently a viable alternative for most content creators who need to make a living. If it's not economically viable then it's by definition a hobby. "Taking off" may not be the right yardstick, but I think walking away from the goal of making the IndieWeb economically effective enough to claim back some territory from the oligopolists just means giving up.
- freeone3000 2y agoMaking money from a website ruins the entire point — you’re now part of the problem.
- fauigerzigerk 2y agoIf my desire to make a living without submitting to some all powerful overlord makes me part of the problem, then we disagree on a very fundamental level on what the point actually is.
- protonbob 2y agoWould you say the same about music or fine art? What is the "point" exactly? History's greatest writers and artists have generally been able to dedicate their time to working because they are supported financially by selling their work.
- PaulRobinson 2y agoI think making money from a website is fine. You can sell products and services, and that's great. I think adtech on websites is a problem. And social media is an adtech product, not a content product. IndieWeb for me is about reducing reliance on adtech. You want to build a page to showcase your hand-carved penguins? Cool, hit me up with a URL! Selling independently produced courses or 1:1 mentorship? Offering consultancy or classes? Cool! Wrapping it all up in an adtech hell hole for people to harvest my data and then try and scam me or sell me utter crap based on browsing patterns around "news stories" that are false? Nah, I'll pass, thanks.