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White, from Canada, and even female: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney https://www.theguardian.com

White, from Canada, and even female: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det... What a horrific ordeal, and the Latin American women she met are having worse time. The worst of it is the "just following orders" robots (the foot soldiers of fascistic 1940s say hello) having no answers to her question of "How long will I be here?". I wonder how it'll end. Trump/MAGA/Project 2025 can turn the country into a police state (Russia-style) with even more rigged elections (Russia-style) and the populace will probably just submit (and about 50% will defend it, some of them because of ego protection (1)). They are already ignoring judges' orders, basically saying "What are you going to do about it?". Will someone in the military lead a batallion of tanks on Washington DC? 1) https://www.technicianonline.com/opinion/opinion-admit-you-re-wrong-it-s-the-right-thing-to-do/article_29bdbe60-fb3d-11ec-9c6c-0f21c9fd7b19.html https://www.technicianonline.com/opinion/opinion-admit-you-r...

baybal2 2y ago
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vkou 2y ago
The military will only carry out a coup if there is a legitimate opposing nexus of political power for it to rally behind, and there isn't one. That's not a sufficient condition, by the way, but it is a necessary one. The establishment Dems should be fighting like hell to delegitinize this shitshow, instead of rolling over like lapdogs. I guess the donors are happy with the outcome, and I have to assume that so are they.
- netsharc 2y ago
  I really don't understand the Dems (dubbed Vichy Dems now). Sure legistatively they've got no power now, and they're probably waiting for the 2026 mid-terms campaign to start yelling, but yeah they appear to be rolling over. Is it because the voters have really really short memories? Is it because you don't interrupt the enemy while they're making a mistake? Maybe they're yelling, but the cowered media (hello Jeff, hello Sinclair Media, hello ABC surrender-monkeys paying Trump settlement money 1)) and the places people now get news from (owned by the Supreme Imbecile, Zuck, and "Thank you President Trump for our ressurection" TikTok) are just not covering it. If I cared more, I'd make a website called Department of Lies (since the regime defines what they're doing as the truth) and catalog all the actions of the regime, and how they're illegal. 1) https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/14/trump-abc-stephanopoulos-settlement-00194391 https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/14/trump-abc-stephanop... Edit to add: maybe the Dems are afraid of violence, the Imbecile Nazi (aka Proud Boys) are pardoned and can roam free, what's stopping them from physical violence against loud and promiment voices (and their children). Even if local police arrest them, the top of the regime can say "Let them go.". Ah, fucking despotic nation...
  - black_13 2y ago
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  - vharuck 2y ago
    >If I cared more, I'd make a website called Department of Lies (since the regime defines what they're doing as the truth) and catalog all the actions of the regime, and how they're illegal. https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/ https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/
  - nobodyandproud 2y ago
    The main party—the same one that pushed Sanders out early instead of letting the primary take its course—is woefully out of touch. How is it that a non-white, middle-aged, moderate liberal in the NYC tristate better able to understand the problems than our Democrat politicians? And it doesn’t help that the most vocal liberals are also missing the forest for the trees. Just trying say to put the brakes in some of the trans rights (kids) and the most excessive parts of DEI labels me as “conservative” and shutdown on any discourse. Meanwhile the problems facing the larger, 10x middle-ground population that got Trump elected, is ignored.
account42 2y ago
> White, from Canada, and even female: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det... ... who tried to enter from Mexico after being denied entry from Canada instead of resolving the issue with the embassy as she was told. Plus some more sketchy shit. TFA is light on details about the circumstances of the three Germans' detention but considering that the German ministry is basically telling people to not violate their visas or lie on their application it doesn't sound like they just had bad luck without doing anything wrong.
- Tarsul 2y ago
  good points regarding the Canadian. For the Germans: I don't believe that the statements from the ministry are indicative of the three individual cases. Regarding one case, I read in an interview with him that he was detained because his English was poor: He said he "lived" in the USA when he actually meant to say he was just visiting there. That was enough to incarcerate him. Sure, he probably came across as a bit sketchy anyway because his fiancée is American and they have a long-distance relationship, but those are not valid reasons to treat him like that.
- netsharc 2y ago
  > ... who tried to enter from Mexico after being denied entry from Canada instead of resolving the issue with the embassy as she was told. Plus some more sketchy shit. Let's establish a timeline... - She applied for a visa, and was denied. - She applied again, went to the Mexican border because that's close to her immigration's lawyer office, and was allowed entry. - At some point, she tried to enter the country, and the border guard thinks the above was shady (and you're accepting this guard's judgement. A lawyer would ask "What law did she break?"). - A week or 2 ago, she applied again, she went to the Mexican border for the same reason as above. Why is that sketchy? Immigration checkpoints should work the same anywhere, they're all connected anyway. - At this point she's told she should've gone to a consulate to fix the problem. She's denied entry at the border and she looks for flights home. - A few moments later she's arrested for who knows what and detained for an inderteminate amount of time. - 3 days later, not knowing how long she'll be detained, someone tells her "be prepared for months.". I get that asking for accountability from a unaccountable bureaucrats working in a corrupt police state is a moot point, but what law did she break that justified her detainment? Not knowing she should've gone to a consulate? Thinking there's some exploit in the system that different borders have different rules instead of them being all connected, and should treat everyone equally? Oh, some "shady shit" is enough excuse for you? OK, maybe what she wrote isn't the whole thing. Maybe the corrupt police state will issue a statement to fill in the gaps. Would I believe that corrupt police state?
nobodyandproud 2y ago
The jails (“detention centers”) she was held in are privately run, so they’re incentivized to hold people and ignore due process. https://newjerseymonitor.com/2025/02/27/ice-plans-massive-new-immigrant-detention-center-in-newark/ https://newjerseymonitor.com/2025/02/27/ice-plans-massive-ne... https://www.thecity.nyc/2025/02/27/ice-immigrant-detention-newark-geo-group/ https://www.thecity.nyc/2025/02/27/ice-immigrant-detention-n... https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2025/03/20/private-prison-company-reopens-michigan-facility-as-ice-detention-center/82573549007/ https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2025/0... Being dispassionate about this: The incentives (reward vs loss) is no different from “asset forfeiture”.

baybal2 2y ago

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vkou 2y ago

The military will only carry out a coup if there is a legitimate opposing nexus of political power for it to rally behind, and there isn't one. That's not a sufficient condition, by the way, but it is a necessary one. The establishment Dems should be fighting like hell to delegitinize this shitshow, instead of rolling over like lapdogs. I guess the donors are happy with the outcome, and I have to assume that so are they.

netsharc 2y ago
I really don't understand the Dems (dubbed Vichy Dems now). Sure legistatively they've got no power now, and they're probably waiting for the 2026 mid-terms campaign to start yelling, but yeah they appear to be rolling over. Is it because the voters have really really short memories? Is it because you don't interrupt the enemy while they're making a mistake? Maybe they're yelling, but the cowered media (hello Jeff, hello Sinclair Media, hello ABC surrender-monkeys paying Trump settlement money 1)) and the places people now get news from (owned by the Supreme Imbecile, Zuck, and "Thank you President Trump for our ressurection" TikTok) are just not covering it. If I cared more, I'd make a website called Department of Lies (since the regime defines what they're doing as the truth) and catalog all the actions of the regime, and how they're illegal. 1) https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/14/trump-abc-stephanopoulos-settlement-00194391 https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/14/trump-abc-stephanop... Edit to add: maybe the Dems are afraid of violence, the Imbecile Nazi (aka Proud Boys) are pardoned and can roam free, what's stopping them from physical violence against loud and promiment voices (and their children). Even if local police arrest them, the top of the regime can say "Let them go.". Ah, fucking despotic nation...
- black_13 2y ago
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- vharuck 2y ago
  >If I cared more, I'd make a website called Department of Lies (since the regime defines what they're doing as the truth) and catalog all the actions of the regime, and how they're illegal. https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/ https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/
- nobodyandproud 2y ago
  The main party—the same one that pushed Sanders out early instead of letting the primary take its course—is woefully out of touch. How is it that a non-white, middle-aged, moderate liberal in the NYC tristate better able to understand the problems than our Democrat politicians? And it doesn’t help that the most vocal liberals are also missing the forest for the trees. Just trying say to put the brakes in some of the trans rights (kids) and the most excessive parts of DEI labels me as “conservative” and shutdown on any discourse. Meanwhile the problems facing the larger, 10x middle-ground population that got Trump elected, is ignored.

account42 2y ago

> White, from Canada, and even female: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det... ... who tried to enter from Mexico after being denied entry from Canada instead of resolving the issue with the embassy as she was told. Plus some more sketchy shit. TFA is light on details about the circumstances of the three Germans' detention but considering that the German ministry is basically telling people to not violate their visas or lie on their application it doesn't sound like they just had bad luck without doing anything wrong.

Tarsul 2y ago
good points regarding the Canadian. For the Germans: I don't believe that the statements from the ministry are indicative of the three individual cases. Regarding one case, I read in an interview with him that he was detained because his English was poor: He said he "lived" in the USA when he actually meant to say he was just visiting there. That was enough to incarcerate him. Sure, he probably came across as a bit sketchy anyway because his fiancée is American and they have a long-distance relationship, but those are not valid reasons to treat him like that.
netsharc 2y ago
> ... who tried to enter from Mexico after being denied entry from Canada instead of resolving the issue with the embassy as she was told. Plus some more sketchy shit. Let's establish a timeline... - She applied for a visa, and was denied. - She applied again, went to the Mexican border because that's close to her immigration's lawyer office, and was allowed entry. - At some point, she tried to enter the country, and the border guard thinks the above was shady (and you're accepting this guard's judgement. A lawyer would ask "What law did she break?"). - A week or 2 ago, she applied again, she went to the Mexican border for the same reason as above. Why is that sketchy? Immigration checkpoints should work the same anywhere, they're all connected anyway. - At this point she's told she should've gone to a consulate to fix the problem. She's denied entry at the border and she looks for flights home. - A few moments later she's arrested for who knows what and detained for an inderteminate amount of time. - 3 days later, not knowing how long she'll be detained, someone tells her "be prepared for months.". I get that asking for accountability from a unaccountable bureaucrats working in a corrupt police state is a moot point, but what law did she break that justified her detainment? Not knowing she should've gone to a consulate? Thinking there's some exploit in the system that different borders have different rules instead of them being all connected, and should treat everyone equally? Oh, some "shady shit" is enough excuse for you? OK, maybe what she wrote isn't the whole thing. Maybe the corrupt police state will issue a statement to fill in the gaps. Would I believe that corrupt police state?

nobodyandproud 2y ago

The jails (“detention centers”) she was held in are privately run, so they’re incentivized to hold people and ignore due process. https://newjerseymonitor.com/2025/02/27/ice-plans-massive-new-immigrant-detention-center-in-newark/ https://newjerseymonitor.com/2025/02/27/ice-plans-massive-ne... https://www.thecity.nyc/2025/02/27/ice-immigrant-detention-newark-geo-group/ https://www.thecity.nyc/2025/02/27/ice-immigrant-detention-n... https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2025/03/20/private-prison-company-reopens-michigan-facility-as-ice-detention-center/82573549007/ https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2025/0... Being dispassionate about this: The incentives (reward vs loss) is no different from “asset forfeiture”.