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Can you show these numbers are significantly higher than the previous years' average? If you can't then it's perception

• lifeinthevoid 2y ago
  Too early for stats I think. But yeah, keep on denying the light of the sun.
  • Almondsetat 2y ago
    If it was the "light of the sun" you wouldn't have to "think" and there would be stats.
    • spiderfarmer 2y ago
      Stats coming from ICE itself would probably be cooked. https://prismreports.org/2024/10/31/ice-has-been-lying-about-its-racial-data-collection/ https://prismreports.org/2024/10/31/ice-has-been-lying-about... I’ll wait for stats coming from the EU or my own government.
• _fizz_buzz_ 2y ago
  Even if you cannot prove it doesn't mean it is necessarily perception. Just because one cannot prove something, doesn't mean it's not real. Can you prove the numbers haven't risen? The main issue is the arbitrary detention. Getting turned away at the border and taking the next flight home is one thing, but getting locked up seems scary.
  • Almondsetat 2y ago
    If you cannot prove it and yet you make the claim then it means your claim stems from perception. It doesn't mean what you're claiming is not true.
    • spiderfarmer 2y ago
      You claim it’s a perception issue. We say it doesn’t matter if it’s perception. Even one wrongful detention is too much. And people should avoid going to the US in this climate. My past tweets would probably be enough to get me detained. Am I sure about that? No. Can anyone be sure nowadays? Is that just perception? Maybe. Will I avoid going to the US anyway? Yes. If you’re still looking for a trend, here’s one: We don’t trust the US anymore. And there’s nothing their government does or says to reassure us.
• nolok 2y ago
  It's rare enough that when it happens it makes the news in the citizen's country, so having several in quick succession like this is immediately noticed and acted upon.
  • Almondsetat 2y ago
    Train derailments were all the rage on the right a couple of years ago even though their numbers were in the norm.
    • nolok 2y ago
      I don't see how that relates to what I said and I don't know why you go political with "on the right". I'm not american, and this conversation is clearly about how non american countries see the situation, and for us being detained that way is not a left or right wing political wish or dream or nightmare, it's just a "does it happen in that country or not". And as an aside, if you think train crash are not a matter worth talking about, or that they're political, again .. That's a hell of a point of view that I don't share.
      • Almondsetat 2y ago
        >it's just a "does it happen in that country or not". If your threshold is "it happens > 0 amount of times" then it has happened before to Europeans to face detention by the ICE >if you think train crash are not a matter worth talking about, or that they're political that's a big and unwarrented "if"
        • nolok 2y ago
          I'm honestly not sure what or why you are arguing, if you say it happened before then yes no one said the contrary, several countries are now saying the threshold to go from "a bit longer interrogation" to "straight up detention like a criminal" has become much lower and thus we are much more likely to be impacted, and if you disagree with that when then again it doesn't really matter because it's a travel advice by a non US gov to their non US citizen based on their evaluation, feelings and online rhetoric don't matter into that, though you are of course free of having your own opinion