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As I said before, I would not travel to the US unless my life depends on it.
by aktuel 2y ago
As I said before, I would not travel to the US unless my life depends on it.
- xadhominemx 2y agoThe USA hosts 35 million foreign visitors per year. These enforcement actions are absurd, but if you have your documents in order and are planing a normal tourist trip. you will be fine.
- __loam 2y agoThey detained a green card holder who didn't break any laws and tortured him for weeks. They deported a French scientist over private speech after searching his phone. Why do you think all this is just going to be okay?
- vosper 2y agoTortured?
- PieTime 2y agoTechnically if you’re Venezuelan you could be sent to be tortured in El Salvador
- account42 2y agoComplain to the Venezuelan government for not accepting their citizens back.
- SauciestGNU 2y agoIt's a crime to abduct someone and sell them to a third country's prison that they have no connection to.
- __loam 2y agohttps://www.wmur.com/article/german-national-fabian-schmidt-nashua-ice-31725/64212019 https://www.wmur.com/article/german-national-fabian-schmidt-... Maybe you don't consider being violently interrogated to the point of being hospitalized torture?
- xadhominemx 2y agoThe situation is not good but let’s not lie. Green card holders returning from overseas have always been at high risk of encountering issues upon reentry. Overseas visitors working informally have likewise always risked detention and deportation. The gentleman in Boston was treated very badly, but his detention lasted hours, not days. Ordinary tourists are not being detained. I am a US Citizen who worked in the EU for some time and was detained upon initial arrival into the Schengen area while they checked into my work visa. The French scientist situation - very concerning, but they were just sent home. Hardly a reason to withhold a visit “unless your life depended on it”
- __loam 2y agoI don't think permanent residents have ever faced this level of blatant harassment from any administration.
- anon_e-moose 2y agoThis is disingenuous at best. It's not just anectodal evidence. People are concerned with the clear trend. Abuse of visitors is increasing indiscriminately, where will it stop?
- PieTime 2y agoEven during normal times with proper documentation I was detained for a few hours. This is something completely different. I’ve seen deportations immediately for wrong documents. I haven’t seen 14 days of arbitrary detention before for correct documents.
- xadhominemx 2y agoI don’t think the latter is happening. The multi-day detentions have all been related to actual immigration violations. Again, something I oppose very strongly but the notion your life will be severely negatively affected if you show up at the border as a normal tourist with normal travel documents is just incorrect. The worst thing that will happen is they send you home.
- aqme28 2y agoWell, then you're wrong. The latter is happening. It's the whole point of this thread but you seem confidently oblivious to it so I'll link a few. Here's one: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det... More: https://thetrek.co/a-german-thru-hiker-has-been-detained-deported-and-banned-from-the-us-without-a-hearing-heres-what-you-need-to-know/ https://thetrek.co/a-german-thru-hiker-has-been-detained-dep... https://www.10news.com/like-a-horror-movie-german-tourist-detained-by-ice-says-she-spent-week-in-solitary-confinement https://www.10news.com/like-a-horror-movie-german-tourist-de... https://www.10news.com/news/team-10/it-is-like-jail-german-man-visiting-american-fiance-detained-by-ice-for-over-2-weeks https://www.10news.com/news/team-10/it-is-like-jail-german-m...
- xadhominemx 2y agoI encourage you to read those articles!
- aqme28 2y agoI only linked you cases where people had valid legal visas. What are you expecting me to find?
- amarcheschi 2y agoWell a researcher was denied entry because his messages against Trump were deemed terrorism https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/trump-musk-french-scientist-detained https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/trump-musk-f... I would be scared of that as a tourist, and I guess a lot of other people would be as well. Not just because of being denied entry but for the possible investigations one could face
- nkurz 2y agoI don't know what actually happened, but the current reporting is that he was turned back for other reasons: U.S. Says Decision to Turn Back French Scientist Had Nothing to Do With Trump The Department of Homeland Security said the academic was denied entry because he had 'confidential' data from an American lab, not because of his views on the president’s policies. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/21/world/europe/us-france-scientist-entry-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/21/world/europe/us-france-sc... (https://archive.is/z7mhZ https://archive.is/z7mhZ)
- amarcheschi 2y agoOk, that might put things into a reasonable perspective, but I do not know how much we can still trust government agencies right now
- lovich 2y agoWhat was wrong with the guy at Logan who they beat the shit out of?
- xadhominemx 2y agoReturning green card holder, who have always been subject to scrutiny. His treatment was absurd and unacceptable, but not a situation that would be faced by an ordinary tourist or business traveler.
- cnity 2y agoWhat is meant by "returning green card holder" exactly? Return from a holiday abroad outside of the USA, or leaving the USA to live elsewhere for some time with no obvious intent to return?
- xadhominemx 2y agoA US green card holder leaving the country and returning for any reason
- jajko 2y agoA permanent resident getting beaten is not a concern to you? Tourists have even less rights in US view than those, your arguments seems lacking any logic. I wanted to bring my family to US for few weeks vacation but fuck hell no, you don't go to places where they insult and attack you for no reason.
- xadhominemx 2y agoIt’s a major concern for me! But not something that is affecting normal tourists
- oblio 2y agoI'm not sure I understand this. A "green card" is a document showing permanent US residency. So it's something you "earn" after living lawfully in the US for several years. Why would it require <<extra>> scrutiny compared to anyone else entering the US?
- Wololooo 2y agoHonestly this seems to be a really short sighted view, none of the people that got arrested there really had reasonable grounds to be arrested, although I guess that legally they are "in the clear", but I am no expert, and this is high profile only because of the situation is absolutely absurd, and we are only two months in. How many cases are not reported and as bad as this or worse? Am I willing to be gambling this?
- croes 2y agoNope. https://thetrek.co/a-german-thru-hiker-has-been-detained-deported-and-banned-from-the-us-without-a-hearing-heres-what-you-need-to-know/ https://thetrek.co/a-german-thru-hiker-has-been-detained-dep... They didn’t even look at the documents she provided.
- xadhominemx 2y agoThe current crackdown is absurd. But let’s be honest - this specific situation with the German backpacker is nothing new. If you show up at the border for an extended trip with no money, you are subject to extended examination. This happens all over the world.
- croes 2y agoBut they didn’t examine the documents she provided. How can you prove anything if they don’t look a your documents?
- account42 2y agoThe hiker in question seems to be affiliated with the site hosting this article.
- croes 2y ago> Ed. note: Trek bloggers, including Ananias, are not paid to post their blogs on The Trek. Yes, but they don’t get paid
- abxyz 2y agoHosted, past tense. There won't be 35 million visitors this year.
- onion2k 2y agoMore accurately, people who travelled to the US in recent years were fine. The assumption that will continue to be the case is something every traveller needs to consider for themselves. It's not unreasonable for people to choose not to travel, just in case.
- xadhominemx 2y agoI agree with you. However, this is very different from “I would not travel to the US unless my life depends on it”
- drstewart 2y agoOkay. Good for you.
- smidgeon 2y agoI used to, interesting people there, but stopped when they brought in fingerprinting ...
- xadhominemx 2y agoBasically every country in the world fingerprints travelers upon arrival. The EU will start doing it later this year.
- smidgeon 2y agoThen I won't go there either, meh