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Not all EU countries are the same. I would avoid Hungary, Slovakia, and former Eastern Germany (except Berlin).

by dtquad 2y ago

perching_aix 2y ago
Why?
- pesho 2y ago
  They're one of the best places in Europe right now, actually.
- onli 2y ago
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  - ghosty141 2y ago
    This is a 20 year old article and no we don't have "nazis kill foreigners with some regularity". Yes hate-crime happens, but you make it sound like an active war zone where you have to be afraid of your life if you are "foreign" looking. I'd wager for tourists it's very safe in Germany.
    - Parae 2y ago
      Well, if you're Palestinian, Germany can be really harsh and I won't bet on your safety..
      - sharpshadow 2y ago
        That’s complete nonsense and the opposite is the case.
    - TheEnbyperor 2y ago
      I am a foreigner living and working in Germany. Its a perfectly safe and pleasant country to live in.
      - onli 2y ago
        It sure is, until it isn't. And it strongly depends on where you are in the country. I highly doubt you live comfortably in a Nazi area.
        sharpshadow 2y ago
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        onli 2y ago
        That's of course not true in the slightest, but it is the image the new Nazi party is painting. I recommend you stop consuming afd content.
        sharpshadow 2y ago
        Regarding your knowledge on this topic your recommendation is an insult. Every month a crazy asylum seeker drives into a crowd of people here, I don’t make this up look it up. All kinds of outdoor festivities are undergoing brutal security regulations, making them unprofitable and many don’t even happen anymore because of this. Not even mentioning the knife crimes which are absurdly. Nazi crimes are the lowest they have been in history. Most problematic are the antisemitic tendencies from the Palestinian movement at the moment.
        eqvinox 2y ago
        > Every month a crazy asylum seeker drives into a crowd of people here, Did you forget (or not hear) the Magdeburg x-mas market car attacker was an AfD supporter and antiislamic? And the Mannheim one was a German gardener with "Reichsbürger" connections? It doesn't quite make for snappy headlines, so a lot of people never hear these details…
        sharpshadow 2y ago
        The Madgeburg terrorist is a Saudi Arabic refugee which dislikes the Islam and not really an AfD supporter, but mentioned that he liked some position regarding the Islam critique the party has. The Mannheim terrorist is indeed a German but I guess that the exception confirms the rule. Overall all extrem attacks if from right, left, foreigners are an issue and need to be adressed accordingly. The problem which the Germany people have with the current state of affairs is that the bad behaving asylum seekers mostly the ones from the middle east get a soft treatment to say the least when they commit heinous crimes and the deterrence of appropriate punishment through law and order is not given.
    - mschuster91 2y ago
      > I'd wager for tourists it's very safe in Germany. Unless they're Black or "look Muslim", in which case I'd stay the fuck out of Eastern Germany. There's more recent reports as well, e.g. [1] - and it's been a massive issue for Eastern Germany, especially since the rise of Pegida [2]. But don't get me wrong, Western Germany also has its no-go areas, especially anything rural. The large cities tend to be decently safe from far-right violence - but even the smaller ones can be dangerous. Just last week a friend of a friend and her child was attacked in Landshut near Munich by a drunkard (and no it's not hearsay, there's a police report). [1] https://www.mdr.de/nachrichten/sachsen/dresden/dresden-radebeul/familie-westen-osten-alltag-rassismus-wegzug-fachkraefte-100.html https://www.mdr.de/nachrichten/sachsen/dresden/dresden-radeb... [2] https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2015-10/pegida-dresden-wirtschaft https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2015-10/pegida-dresd...
  - akimbostrawman 2y ago
    There is no mention of regular killing of foreigners. The only mention of murder is from 1990... In contrast the number of crime involving foreigners has risen 13% in 2023 to 34% of all crimes. https://www.bka.de/DE/AktuelleInformationen/StatistikenLagebilder/PolizeilicheKriminalstatistik/PKS2023/Polizeiliche_Kriminalstatistik_2023/Polizeiliche_Kriminalstatistik_2023.html https://www.bka.de/DE/AktuelleInformationen/StatistikenLageb...
    - onli 2y ago
      I did not claim the article contained that information, I specifically claimed it did not. It is an example for non-deadly violence that indeed does occur regularly there. https://www.bpb.de/themen/rechtsextremismus/dossier-rechtsextremismus/324634/rechtsextreme-gewalt-in-deutschland/ https://www.bpb.de/themen/rechtsextremismus/dossier-rechtsex... is a source for the murders and also describes why the statistics are hard to gather.
      - akimbostrawman 2y ago
        109 murder in over 30 years is not "regularly" either, more people die from falling of stairs in a single year. Meanwhile there where over 750 group rapes/attempts in 2023 alone of which 50% of the perpetrators where foreigners. But I guess that one wouldn't count as "regularly" for you.... https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/gruppenvergewaltigungen-was-erklaert-den-hohen-auslaenderanteil,UQixrB2 https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/gruppenvergewaltigungen...
- smatija 2y ago
  Hungary probably due to Orban, while Slovakia has ultra-nationalistic party in coalition. I would evade Germany, Austria and also Italy in general, due to common racism against slavic people.
- lynx97 2y ago
  Politically motivated xenophobia.
- deleted 2y ago
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tirant 2y ago
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- kanbara 2y ago
  family friendly for very strict definitions of family
- andsoitis 2y ago
  Hungary is run by an authoritarian leader (Viktor Orban) who has strongly aligned itself with Christian nationalism and is opposed to immigration, gay rights, and what it calls “Western literalism”.
- Freak_NL 2y ago
  What makes you say that it is family-friendly with a blooming economy? Orbán just banned Pride events nationwide, and vowed to use facial recognition software to fine anyone attending. This all in an attempt to placate the minority of the populace who want these kind of draconian measures (polling points out that the majority of Hungarians do not support this ban), and to draw attention away from the inflation, economy, and terrible state of healthcare and education. A utopia for white Christian traditionalist families who feel Putin is just a misunderstood leader trying to protect his people. Not quite as family friendly to any other family. Family-friendly to me means that a place is actually conductive to raising a family, regardless of what your children grow up to be. This includes children who discover that they are gay or trans (or even just atheist or non-Christian). And are families made up of two gay parents welcome too? Otherwise 'family-friendly' is just a fascist dog whistle.
  - no_time 2y ago
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    - Freak_NL 2y ago
      The 'utopia' part was sarcastic (obviously, given the preceding paragraph). I'm sorry you didn't pick up on that. > aligning himself with more radical western ideology Such as?
Jolter 2y ago
As far a I know, all of the listed countries are reasonably safe to travel to. I’ve not heard any stories of arbitrary detention from any of them, which is what this article is (mostly) about. Trans people might not enjoy Slovakia or Hungary right now, but I’m not sure they are unsafe to visit for them (yet)? Someone local might fill me in here…
- _cenw 2y ago
  Hungary just criminalized pride. Their political leadership seems more aligned with Putin than the EU at this time. https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/03/20/hungary-bans-lgbt-pride-events https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/03/20/hungary-bans-lgbt-pride-...
  - Jolter 2y ago
    Yeah, I've seen that. It's been well documented that they are slipping into authoritarianism, nationalism and even a dictatorship. Free speech is not really in place anymore. I was just not very well informed about how civil liberies for trans people look, specifically. Whether the country is safe to travel to for conferences being the issue at hand. I see on Wikipedia that Orban has ended "legal recognition of transgender Hungarians", which I guess is probably significative of the trend, if nothing else.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
  It’s not unsafe for anyone to visit the US either. Unless you’re violating the law in some way, like presenting false documents or overstaying a visa - in which case there would be consequences like in any other country. Sure mistakes can happen on rare occasions, like in any country, but “arbitrary” detention isn’t a thing. That’s just sensationalism from a biased news media that has no idea why anyone was denied or detained, since that isn’t public information.
  - Jolter 2y ago
    Overstaying a visa in any other (developed) country does not result in this kind of detention. These people are not even being given due process. I’m sure each of them is detained for some mistake in their paperwork, but some of these stories are really not flattering to the ICE.

Not all EU countries are the same. I would avoid Hungary, Slovakia, and former Eastern Germany (except Berlin).

by dtquad 2y ago

Not all EU countries are the same. I would avoid Hungary, Slovakia, and former Eastern Germany (except Berlin).

perching_aix 2y ago

Why?

pesho 2y ago
They're one of the best places in Europe right now, actually.
onli 2y ago
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- ghosty141 2y ago
  This is a 20 year old article and no we don't have "nazis kill foreigners with some regularity". Yes hate-crime happens, but you make it sound like an active war zone where you have to be afraid of your life if you are "foreign" looking. I'd wager for tourists it's very safe in Germany.
  - Parae 2y ago
    Well, if you're Palestinian, Germany can be really harsh and I won't bet on your safety..
    - sharpshadow 2y ago
      That’s complete nonsense and the opposite is the case.
  - TheEnbyperor 2y ago
    I am a foreigner living and working in Germany. Its a perfectly safe and pleasant country to live in.
    - onli 2y ago
      It sure is, until it isn't. And it strongly depends on where you are in the country. I highly doubt you live comfortably in a Nazi area.
      - sharpshadow 2y ago
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        onli 2y ago
        That's of course not true in the slightest, but it is the image the new Nazi party is painting. I recommend you stop consuming afd content.
        sharpshadow 2y ago
        Regarding your knowledge on this topic your recommendation is an insult. Every month a crazy asylum seeker drives into a crowd of people here, I don’t make this up look it up. All kinds of outdoor festivities are undergoing brutal security regulations, making them unprofitable and many don’t even happen anymore because of this. Not even mentioning the knife crimes which are absurdly. Nazi crimes are the lowest they have been in history. Most problematic are the antisemitic tendencies from the Palestinian movement at the moment.
        eqvinox 2y ago
        > Every month a crazy asylum seeker drives into a crowd of people here, Did you forget (or not hear) the Magdeburg x-mas market car attacker was an AfD supporter and antiislamic? And the Mannheim one was a German gardener with "Reichsbürger" connections? It doesn't quite make for snappy headlines, so a lot of people never hear these details…
        sharpshadow 2y ago
        The Madgeburg terrorist is a Saudi Arabic refugee which dislikes the Islam and not really an AfD supporter, but mentioned that he liked some position regarding the Islam critique the party has. The Mannheim terrorist is indeed a German but I guess that the exception confirms the rule. Overall all extrem attacks if from right, left, foreigners are an issue and need to be adressed accordingly. The problem which the Germany people have with the current state of affairs is that the bad behaving asylum seekers mostly the ones from the middle east get a soft treatment to say the least when they commit heinous crimes and the deterrence of appropriate punishment through law and order is not given.
  - mschuster91 2y ago
    > I'd wager for tourists it's very safe in Germany. Unless they're Black or "look Muslim", in which case I'd stay the fuck out of Eastern Germany. There's more recent reports as well, e.g. [1] - and it's been a massive issue for Eastern Germany, especially since the rise of Pegida [2]. But don't get me wrong, Western Germany also has its no-go areas, especially anything rural. The large cities tend to be decently safe from far-right violence - but even the smaller ones can be dangerous. Just last week a friend of a friend and her child was attacked in Landshut near Munich by a drunkard (and no it's not hearsay, there's a police report). [1] https://www.mdr.de/nachrichten/sachsen/dresden/dresden-radebeul/familie-westen-osten-alltag-rassismus-wegzug-fachkraefte-100.html https://www.mdr.de/nachrichten/sachsen/dresden/dresden-radeb... [2] https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2015-10/pegida-dresden-wirtschaft https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2015-10/pegida-dresd...
- akimbostrawman 2y ago
  There is no mention of regular killing of foreigners. The only mention of murder is from 1990... In contrast the number of crime involving foreigners has risen 13% in 2023 to 34% of all crimes. https://www.bka.de/DE/AktuelleInformationen/StatistikenLagebilder/PolizeilicheKriminalstatistik/PKS2023/Polizeiliche_Kriminalstatistik_2023/Polizeiliche_Kriminalstatistik_2023.html https://www.bka.de/DE/AktuelleInformationen/StatistikenLageb...
  - onli 2y ago
    I did not claim the article contained that information, I specifically claimed it did not. It is an example for non-deadly violence that indeed does occur regularly there. https://www.bpb.de/themen/rechtsextremismus/dossier-rechtsextremismus/324634/rechtsextreme-gewalt-in-deutschland/ https://www.bpb.de/themen/rechtsextremismus/dossier-rechtsex... is a source for the murders and also describes why the statistics are hard to gather.
    - akimbostrawman 2y ago
      109 murder in over 30 years is not "regularly" either, more people die from falling of stairs in a single year. Meanwhile there where over 750 group rapes/attempts in 2023 alone of which 50% of the perpetrators where foreigners. But I guess that one wouldn't count as "regularly" for you.... https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/gruppenvergewaltigungen-was-erklaert-den-hohen-auslaenderanteil,UQixrB2 https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/gruppenvergewaltigungen...
smatija 2y ago
Hungary probably due to Orban, while Slovakia has ultra-nationalistic party in coalition. I would evade Germany, Austria and also Italy in general, due to common racism against slavic people.
lynx97 2y ago
Politically motivated xenophobia.
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tirant 2y ago

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kanbara 2y ago
family friendly for very strict definitions of family
andsoitis 2y ago
Hungary is run by an authoritarian leader (Viktor Orban) who has strongly aligned itself with Christian nationalism and is opposed to immigration, gay rights, and what it calls “Western literalism”.
Freak_NL 2y ago
What makes you say that it is family-friendly with a blooming economy? Orbán just banned Pride events nationwide, and vowed to use facial recognition software to fine anyone attending. This all in an attempt to placate the minority of the populace who want these kind of draconian measures (polling points out that the majority of Hungarians do not support this ban), and to draw attention away from the inflation, economy, and terrible state of healthcare and education. A utopia for white Christian traditionalist families who feel Putin is just a misunderstood leader trying to protect his people. Not quite as family friendly to any other family. Family-friendly to me means that a place is actually conductive to raising a family, regardless of what your children grow up to be. This includes children who discover that they are gay or trans (or even just atheist or non-Christian). And are families made up of two gay parents welcome too? Otherwise 'family-friendly' is just a fascist dog whistle.
- no_time 2y ago
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  - Freak_NL 2y ago
    The 'utopia' part was sarcastic (obviously, given the preceding paragraph). I'm sorry you didn't pick up on that. > aligning himself with more radical western ideology Such as?

Jolter 2y ago

As far a I know, all of the listed countries are reasonably safe to travel to. I’ve not heard any stories of arbitrary detention from any of them, which is what this article is (mostly) about. Trans people might not enjoy Slovakia or Hungary right now, but I’m not sure they are unsafe to visit for them (yet)? Someone local might fill me in here…

_cenw 2y ago
Hungary just criminalized pride. Their political leadership seems more aligned with Putin than the EU at this time. https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/03/20/hungary-bans-lgbt-pride-events https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/03/20/hungary-bans-lgbt-pride-...
- Jolter 2y ago
  Yeah, I've seen that. It's been well documented that they are slipping into authoritarianism, nationalism and even a dictatorship. Free speech is not really in place anymore. I was just not very well informed about how civil liberies for trans people look, specifically. Whether the country is safe to travel to for conferences being the issue at hand. I see on Wikipedia that Orban has ended "legal recognition of transgender Hungarians", which I guess is probably significative of the trend, if nothing else.
blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
It’s not unsafe for anyone to visit the US either. Unless you’re violating the law in some way, like presenting false documents or overstaying a visa - in which case there would be consequences like in any other country. Sure mistakes can happen on rare occasions, like in any country, but “arbitrary” detention isn’t a thing. That’s just sensationalism from a biased news media that has no idea why anyone was denied or detained, since that isn’t public information.
- Jolter 2y ago
  Overstaying a visa in any other (developed) country does not result in this kind of detention. These people are not even being given due process. I’m sure each of them is detained for some mistake in their paperwork, but some of these stories are really not flattering to the ICE.