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It's a threat to transgender travellers; I know many in the tech industry. The U.S. is now denying entry visas to transgender travellers as well.

briandear 2y ago
Who was denied a visa for being trans? Citation needed. Were they denied because they were trans, or were they denied for another reason but happened to be trans.
- crummy 2y ago
  If sex on your passport doesn't match your sex at birth then according to Marco Rubio you may have your visa rejected.
- TheEnbyperor 2y ago
  The current advice from the German government to me (a trans woman) is that I am ineligible to enter the US and will be detained at the border for presenting 'fraudulently'.
  - account42 2y ago
    You can get your documentation corrected an then enter.
koakuma-chan 2y ago
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- throwawayk7h 2y ago
  The order being reasonable or not is not germane to the topic at hand. It isn't relevant what sex a transgender person is defined to be. What matters to the boycott is that transgender people in tech are facing difficulty entering the U.S. to attend the conference. Wouldn't you agree that's a problem?
  - koakuma-chan 2y ago
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    - throwawayk7h 2y ago
      Right. I think I was unclear -- my point is that whether or not you agree with the E.O., you must surely agree it makes travel to the U.S. difficult for transgender travellers, right? And that's a problem for the conference.
      - koakuma-chan 2y ago
        Source?
        mrtesthah 2y ago
        https://www.cntraveler.com/story/what-to-know-if-you-are-a-trans-traveler-applying-for-a-visa-to-the-us https://www.cntraveler.com/story/what-to-know-if-you-are-a-t... https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/marco-rubio-may-have-just-banned https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/marco-rubio-may-have-just...
        throwawayk7h 2y ago
        I'm not sure for which aspect you are looking for a source. Erin Reed raised the alarm about the potential visa interruptions, as reported here: [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/marco-rubio-state-transgender-visa-b2704734.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/marco-rubi... If you're wondering why transgender travellers don't have documentation that matches their birth sex, it's because (gender identity aside) it's usually more important for documentation to match one's appearance. Documentation that doesn't match one's appearance can lead to questions, delays, and confusions. I have no source for this. If you're wondering why it's a problem for the conference, I don't have a source for that either. But from the tech conferences I've been to, I generally have observed a higher proportion of apparently transgender people than baseline. So by hosting in the U.S., the conference could potentially miss out on many transgender foreigners participating.
- spartanatreyu 2y ago
  The orders are supposed to "sound" reasonable. If it was obvious what the consequences of the order were to everyone, it would be far less palatable.
  - broodbucket 2y ago
    It doesn't sound reasonable at all. It forbids referring to trans men as men and trans women as women. It's draconian and horrifying.
    - account42 2y ago
      That does sound reasonable actually.
- djantje 2y ago
  Well, reality is more complex then this. It misses intersex as a biological option. Not common, but still, it is not in there, but reality for some humans.
arketyp 2y ago
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- throwawayk7h 2y ago
  How is this not a threat to transgender travellers?
- Jolter 2y ago
  "compensatory actions", is that how you refer to Trump's executive order regarding gender identity? As if it was "provoked" by something? Do you know there is a word for someone who is "provoked" by others gaining access to basic human rights?
  - blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
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    - dang 2y ago
      Since you've continued to use HN primarily for ideological battle after we asked you repeatedly to stop, I've banned the account. We don't care what ideology you favor but we do care about accounts repeatedly abusing HN and ignoring moderation requests. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

briandear 2y ago

Who was denied a visa for being trans? Citation needed. Were they denied because they were trans, or were they denied for another reason but happened to be trans.

crummy 2y ago
If sex on your passport doesn't match your sex at birth then according to Marco Rubio you may have your visa rejected.
TheEnbyperor 2y ago
The current advice from the German government to me (a trans woman) is that I am ineligible to enter the US and will be detained at the border for presenting 'fraudulently'.
- account42 2y ago
  You can get your documentation corrected an then enter.

koakuma-chan 2y ago

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throwawayk7h 2y ago
The order being reasonable or not is not germane to the topic at hand. It isn't relevant what sex a transgender person is defined to be. What matters to the boycott is that transgender people in tech are facing difficulty entering the U.S. to attend the conference. Wouldn't you agree that's a problem?
- koakuma-chan 2y ago
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  - throwawayk7h 2y ago
    Right. I think I was unclear -- my point is that whether or not you agree with the E.O., you must surely agree it makes travel to the U.S. difficult for transgender travellers, right? And that's a problem for the conference.
    - koakuma-chan 2y ago
      Source?
      - mrtesthah 2y ago
        https://www.cntraveler.com/story/what-to-know-if-you-are-a-trans-traveler-applying-for-a-visa-to-the-us https://www.cntraveler.com/story/what-to-know-if-you-are-a-t... https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/marco-rubio-may-have-just-banned https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/marco-rubio-may-have-just...
      - throwawayk7h 2y ago
        I'm not sure for which aspect you are looking for a source. Erin Reed raised the alarm about the potential visa interruptions, as reported here: [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/marco-rubio-state-transgender-visa-b2704734.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/marco-rubi... If you're wondering why transgender travellers don't have documentation that matches their birth sex, it's because (gender identity aside) it's usually more important for documentation to match one's appearance. Documentation that doesn't match one's appearance can lead to questions, delays, and confusions. I have no source for this. If you're wondering why it's a problem for the conference, I don't have a source for that either. But from the tech conferences I've been to, I generally have observed a higher proportion of apparently transgender people than baseline. So by hosting in the U.S., the conference could potentially miss out on many transgender foreigners participating.
spartanatreyu 2y ago
The orders are supposed to "sound" reasonable. If it was obvious what the consequences of the order were to everyone, it would be far less palatable.
- broodbucket 2y ago
  It doesn't sound reasonable at all. It forbids referring to trans men as men and trans women as women. It's draconian and horrifying.
  - account42 2y ago
    That does sound reasonable actually.
djantje 2y ago
Well, reality is more complex then this. It misses intersex as a biological option. Not common, but still, it is not in there, but reality for some humans.

arketyp 2y ago

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throwawayk7h 2y ago
How is this not a threat to transgender travellers?
Jolter 2y ago
"compensatory actions", is that how you refer to Trump's executive order regarding gender identity? As if it was "provoked" by something? Do you know there is a word for someone who is "provoked" by others gaining access to basic human rights?
- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
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  - dang 2y ago
    Since you've continued to use HN primarily for ideological battle after we asked you repeatedly to stop, I've banned the account. We don't care what ideology you favor but we do care about accounts repeatedly abusing HN and ignoring moderation requests. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html