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I understand the sentiment that the Trump administration is draconian, especially for people traveling from abroad considering the new border policy. But, pardo

I understand the sentiment that the Trump administration is draconian, especially for people traveling from abroad considering the new border policy. But, pardon me, how is that executive order about sex a "threat"? Listed as the top issue undermines the credibility of this petition I think.

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throwawayk7h 2y ago
It's a threat to transgender travellers; I know many in the tech industry. The U.S. is now denying entry visas to transgender travellers as well.
- briandear 2y ago
  Who was denied a visa for being trans? Citation needed. Were they denied because they were trans, or were they denied for another reason but happened to be trans.
  - crummy 2y ago
    If sex on your passport doesn't match your sex at birth then according to Marco Rubio you may have your visa rejected.
  - TheEnbyperor 2y ago
    The current advice from the German government to me (a trans woman) is that I am ineligible to enter the US and will be detained at the border for presenting 'fraudulently'.
    - account42 2y ago
      You can get your documentation corrected an then enter.
- koakuma-chan 2y ago
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  - throwawayk7h 2y ago
    The order being reasonable or not is not germane to the topic at hand. It isn't relevant what sex a transgender person is defined to be. What matters to the boycott is that transgender people in tech are facing difficulty entering the U.S. to attend the conference. Wouldn't you agree that's a problem?
    - koakuma-chan 2y ago
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      - throwawayk7h 2y ago
        Right. I think I was unclear -- my point is that whether or not you agree with the E.O., you must surely agree it makes travel to the U.S. difficult for transgender travellers, right? And that's a problem for the conference.
        koakuma-chan 2y ago
        Source?
        mrtesthah 2y ago
        https://www.cntraveler.com/story/what-to-know-if-you-are-a-trans-traveler-applying-for-a-visa-to-the-us https://www.cntraveler.com/story/what-to-know-if-you-are-a-t... https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/marco-rubio-may-have-just-banned https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/marco-rubio-may-have-just...
        throwawayk7h 2y ago
        I'm not sure for which aspect you are looking for a source. Erin Reed raised the alarm about the potential visa interruptions, as reported here: [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/marco-rubio-state-transgender-visa-b2704734.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/marco-rubi... If you're wondering why transgender travellers don't have documentation that matches their birth sex, it's because (gender identity aside) it's usually more important for documentation to match one's appearance. Documentation that doesn't match one's appearance can lead to questions, delays, and confusions. I have no source for this. If you're wondering why it's a problem for the conference, I don't have a source for that either. But from the tech conferences I've been to, I generally have observed a higher proportion of apparently transgender people than baseline. So by hosting in the U.S., the conference could potentially miss out on many transgender foreigners participating.
- arketyp 2y ago
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  - throwawayk7h 2y ago
    How is this not a threat to transgender travellers?
  - Jolter 2y ago
    "compensatory actions", is that how you refer to Trump's executive order regarding gender identity? As if it was "provoked" by something? Do you know there is a word for someone who is "provoked" by others gaining access to basic human rights?
    - blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
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      - dang 2y ago
        Since you've continued to use HN primarily for ideological battle after we asked you repeatedly to stop, I've banned the account. We don't care what ideology you favor but we do care about accounts repeatedly abusing HN and ignoring moderation requests. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
viraptor 2y ago
Check out all the issues currently faced by people with either updated or X gender on their documents. Look at what happens with documents at government level that use even vaguely trans-related words. Do you get why people would see erasure like that as threat, given historical context?
- tdeck 2y ago
  Just to add one more example, the anti-trans frenzy led someone to call the cops on a cisgender lesbian woman who was using the women's restroom, where the male cops barged in to arrest her: https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2025/03/cops-burst-into-womens-restroom-to-remove-butch-lesbian-accusing-her-of-being-a-man/ https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2025/03/cops-burst-into-womens-r...
sterlind 2y ago
if a post-op trans woman is arrested, she's denied access to HRT and sent to a men's prison, where she will be given to violent male inmates to pacify them. this is known as v-coding. even having a vagina doesn't exempt you from men's prison, it just makes you more likely to be repeatedly raped as the justice system grinds on. this was already the case in some US states but the EO makes it Federal. the State Department has also announced that it considers sex markers that don't correspond to sex at birth to be fraudulent. ostensibly for the sports ban, but it actually applies to all visa applications and documentation. combine those two facts with the administration's stated antipathy towards us, and the recent trend of Germans and Canadians being detained for weeks with no apparent cause, and I think you should see why trans women ought to avoid US travel right now.
- jeltz 2y ago
  I have never understood the trans women in sports thing. I see why it could be unfair to allow them to compete but that is a thing I would like the sports associations to handle. Being born with a male body could be a big advantage in some sports but not in others. Why should our politicians micromanage sports rules? Especially to make them more restrictive. Let the sports associations handle this. I hate this culture war micromanagment where politicians write moral laws for things where there should not be any law.
blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
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- throwawayk7h 2y ago
  I mentioned this elsewhere, but the U.S. is already denying entry visas for transgender travellers, either as a follow-up to this E.O. or based on the same principles as it. This doesn't seem hysterical to me.
  - blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
    This is just misinformation. Requiring factually accurate sex information to be submitted is not the same as discriminating against some group. It’s just common sense. EDIT - response to defrost’s comment below: The Australian passport doesn’t require fatally accurate information per your own link: > Customers who identify as a gender other than male or female (intersex, indeterminate, unspecified, non-binary) may request that the gender in their ATD appear as X. Sex isn’t a matter of “identifying” as something. It’s a biological reality. Progressive gender ideology cannot alter these facts, and it is unfortunate it has found its way into the identification documents of some countries.
    - defrost 2y ago
      > It’s a biological reality. The biological reality being that at birth babies are clearly reproductively male or reproductively female in roughly 98% of cases. It's less clear for roughly 2% and indeterminate by any single means (chromosones, gametes, external organs) in small percentage ( 0.02% ) of cases. Because of that biological reality various countries allow for people that were born neither [F] nor [M] to have a third option to avoid them having to lie on their passport. The Australian passport requires factually accurate information and therefore allows [M], [F], and [X]. How do US border accept this under the current administration in light of the recent note by the current POTUS? https://www.dfat.gov.au/about-us/publications/corporate/passports/passport-policy#:~:text=ATDs%20will%20record%20sex%2Fgender,unspecified%2Fnon%2Dbinary). https://www.dfat.gov.au/about-us/publications/corporate/pass...
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throwawayk7h 2y ago

It's a threat to transgender travellers; I know many in the tech industry. The U.S. is now denying entry visas to transgender travellers as well.

briandear 2y ago
Who was denied a visa for being trans? Citation needed. Were they denied because they were trans, or were they denied for another reason but happened to be trans.
- crummy 2y ago
  If sex on your passport doesn't match your sex at birth then according to Marco Rubio you may have your visa rejected.
- TheEnbyperor 2y ago
  The current advice from the German government to me (a trans woman) is that I am ineligible to enter the US and will be detained at the border for presenting 'fraudulently'.
  - account42 2y ago
    You can get your documentation corrected an then enter.
koakuma-chan 2y ago
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- throwawayk7h 2y ago
  The order being reasonable or not is not germane to the topic at hand. It isn't relevant what sex a transgender person is defined to be. What matters to the boycott is that transgender people in tech are facing difficulty entering the U.S. to attend the conference. Wouldn't you agree that's a problem?
  - koakuma-chan 2y ago
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    - throwawayk7h 2y ago
      Right. I think I was unclear -- my point is that whether or not you agree with the E.O., you must surely agree it makes travel to the U.S. difficult for transgender travellers, right? And that's a problem for the conference.
      - koakuma-chan 2y ago
        Source?
        mrtesthah 2y ago
        https://www.cntraveler.com/story/what-to-know-if-you-are-a-trans-traveler-applying-for-a-visa-to-the-us https://www.cntraveler.com/story/what-to-know-if-you-are-a-t... https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/marco-rubio-may-have-just-banned https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/marco-rubio-may-have-just...
        throwawayk7h 2y ago
        I'm not sure for which aspect you are looking for a source. Erin Reed raised the alarm about the potential visa interruptions, as reported here: [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/marco-rubio-state-transgender-visa-b2704734.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/marco-rubi... If you're wondering why transgender travellers don't have documentation that matches their birth sex, it's because (gender identity aside) it's usually more important for documentation to match one's appearance. Documentation that doesn't match one's appearance can lead to questions, delays, and confusions. I have no source for this. If you're wondering why it's a problem for the conference, I don't have a source for that either. But from the tech conferences I've been to, I generally have observed a higher proportion of apparently transgender people than baseline. So by hosting in the U.S., the conference could potentially miss out on many transgender foreigners participating.
arketyp 2y ago
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- throwawayk7h 2y ago
  How is this not a threat to transgender travellers?
- Jolter 2y ago
  "compensatory actions", is that how you refer to Trump's executive order regarding gender identity? As if it was "provoked" by something? Do you know there is a word for someone who is "provoked" by others gaining access to basic human rights?
  - blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
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    - dang 2y ago
      Since you've continued to use HN primarily for ideological battle after we asked you repeatedly to stop, I've banned the account. We don't care what ideology you favor but we do care about accounts repeatedly abusing HN and ignoring moderation requests. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

viraptor 2y ago

Check out all the issues currently faced by people with either updated or X gender on their documents. Look at what happens with documents at government level that use even vaguely trans-related words. Do you get why people would see erasure like that as threat, given historical context?

tdeck 2y ago
Just to add one more example, the anti-trans frenzy led someone to call the cops on a cisgender lesbian woman who was using the women's restroom, where the male cops barged in to arrest her: https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2025/03/cops-burst-into-womens-restroom-to-remove-butch-lesbian-accusing-her-of-being-a-man/ https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2025/03/cops-burst-into-womens-r...

sterlind 2y ago

if a post-op trans woman is arrested, she's denied access to HRT and sent to a men's prison, where she will be given to violent male inmates to pacify them. this is known as v-coding. even having a vagina doesn't exempt you from men's prison, it just makes you more likely to be repeatedly raped as the justice system grinds on. this was already the case in some US states but the EO makes it Federal. the State Department has also announced that it considers sex markers that don't correspond to sex at birth to be fraudulent. ostensibly for the sports ban, but it actually applies to all visa applications and documentation. combine those two facts with the administration's stated antipathy towards us, and the recent trend of Germans and Canadians being detained for weeks with no apparent cause, and I think you should see why trans women ought to avoid US travel right now.

jeltz 2y ago
I have never understood the trans women in sports thing. I see why it could be unfair to allow them to compete but that is a thing I would like the sports associations to handle. Being born with a male body could be a big advantage in some sports but not in others. Why should our politicians micromanage sports rules? Especially to make them more restrictive. Let the sports associations handle this. I hate this culture war micromanagment where politicians write moral laws for things where there should not be any law.

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago

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throwawayk7h 2y ago
I mentioned this elsewhere, but the U.S. is already denying entry visas for transgender travellers, either as a follow-up to this E.O. or based on the same principles as it. This doesn't seem hysterical to me.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
  This is just misinformation. Requiring factually accurate sex information to be submitted is not the same as discriminating against some group. It’s just common sense. EDIT - response to defrost’s comment below: The Australian passport doesn’t require fatally accurate information per your own link: > Customers who identify as a gender other than male or female (intersex, indeterminate, unspecified, non-binary) may request that the gender in their ATD appear as X. Sex isn’t a matter of “identifying” as something. It’s a biological reality. Progressive gender ideology cannot alter these facts, and it is unfortunate it has found its way into the identification documents of some countries.
  - defrost 2y ago
    > It’s a biological reality. The biological reality being that at birth babies are clearly reproductively male or reproductively female in roughly 98% of cases. It's less clear for roughly 2% and indeterminate by any single means (chromosones, gametes, external organs) in small percentage ( 0.02% ) of cases. Because of that biological reality various countries allow for people that were born neither [F] nor [M] to have a third option to avoid them having to lie on their passport. The Australian passport requires factually accurate information and therefore allows [M], [F], and [X]. How do US border accept this under the current administration in light of the recent note by the current POTUS? https://www.dfat.gov.au/about-us/publications/corporate/passports/passport-policy#:~:text=ATDs%20will%20record%20sex%2Fgender,unspecified%2Fnon%2Dbinary). https://www.dfat.gov.au/about-us/publications/corporate/pass...

nobodywillobsrv 2y ago

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