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Understandable. Other countries seem to have education figured out, but now it's time to let America try out what it excells at, a free market implementation. I

Understandable. Other countries seem to have education figured out, but now it's time to let America try out what it excells at, a free market implementation. I've seen a lot of good ideas on this forum for how it could work so I'm curious to see the results.

Eddy_Viscosity2 2y ago
He doesn't have the authority to shut it down, this power belongs to congress. Whether or not you agree with eliminating this department, you should want the law to be followed and the enumerated constitutional powers respected.
- comrade1234 2y ago
  Supreme Court says he can do it and if congress doesn’t agree they have to impeach him. That’s the law.
  - jaybrendansmith 2y ago
    False on both counts. Supreme Court can hear a case on it and block it if they wish, and congress can fail to impeach, but it doesn't mean he isn't breaking the law. He took an oath to follow the constitution. He is breaking that oath. He is a flagrant criminal and an out of control president. If you agree with this, you are as unamerican as he is.
    - kelipso 2y ago
      The President is not some automaton who has to keep departments running because Congress created the department. He has lots of leeway and decision making power. In this case, ED was not completely shut down, its functions were severely reduced. Which the President has authority to do. I think shutting ED down is good. They overreached by putting their tentacles into how moral and social processes at the local school and college level were run. Good riddance. Let the states run things like the constitution intended. That's what following the constitution is about.
      - Eddy_Viscosity2 2y ago
        Running departments that congress created is exactly what executive branch's job is! That's the US system of government and very much what the constitution about. This is an overreach of presidential power and anyone who cares about law and order should oppose it. If you want the ED shut down, then get congress to do it. Republicans control both houses, so why not do it the legal way?
        kelipso 2y ago
        The way the run the departments is up to the President is my point. Here, the President decided it would be best to cut down the ED as much as possible. Doing it via Congress would in all likelihood be impossible, Congress cannot get anything done these days, so the best way to get it done is via executive order.
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        Eddy_Viscosity2 2y ago
        He's said publicly, more than once, that he intends to shut it down. This is not a case of the president working within the leeway of his office and making small changes. He said he was going to shut it down and then made actions to do just that. It is an overreach of presential power. Congress not working well is not an excuse, any more than robbing someone is ok because you needed cash and the lineup for the bank was too long. The ends don't justify the means.
        kelipso 2y ago
        This is part of what he was directly elected to do, and he is doing what he can with the powers he has to do what he was elected to do. Everyone knows Congress won’t get it done, so good governance would be to route around Congress to do it, and so it’s a good excuse.
        2y ago
aleksjess 2y ago
> now it's time to let America try out what it excells at, a free market implementation I sure hope it will figure it out better than free-market healthcare, or energy distribution (look Texas).
- aleksjess 2y ago
  In all seriousness, how do you see this going down?
  - atmavatar 2y ago
    The Republican dream for education has been to introduce vouchers so the wealthy can get a big break off their private schooling costs while simultaneously draining tax dollars out of the public education system. Ultimately, it will either force the public school system to start charging fees or close shop in favor of private alternatives, and the vouchers will inevitably fall short of the total cost presented to parents, ensuring the poor lose access to education entirely.
    - ohnoitsahuman 2y ago
      Public schools are so good that nobody would use their vouchers for private school. Right?
      - foogazi 2y ago
        Private schools already exist, why does private enterprise need the government’s help ? Besides people already pay for public schools all the time by moving to an area with “good schools”. So the answer is to adequately fund public schools. It’s a distributive effect of the social safety net
        kelipso 2y ago
        Currently, your property tax (well, the property tax of everyone in your administrative district) pays for your local public schools. Consider this as school tuition. But this disincentives people from sending their kids to private schools since they would then be paying tuition twice, once via property tax to the local public school and second to the private school. One solution is school vouchers where you use the property tax money for the private school tuition. Makes the public schools compete fairly with the private schools and allows not so well off folks to send their kids to private schools if they want. Should I as a parent be forced to send my kids to a shitty school because of where I am residing and my lack of wealth?

Eddy_Viscosity2 2y ago

He doesn't have the authority to shut it down, this power belongs to congress. Whether or not you agree with eliminating this department, you should want the law to be followed and the enumerated constitutional powers respected.

comrade1234 2y ago
Supreme Court says he can do it and if congress doesn’t agree they have to impeach him. That’s the law.
- jaybrendansmith 2y ago
  False on both counts. Supreme Court can hear a case on it and block it if they wish, and congress can fail to impeach, but it doesn't mean he isn't breaking the law. He took an oath to follow the constitution. He is breaking that oath. He is a flagrant criminal and an out of control president. If you agree with this, you are as unamerican as he is.
  - kelipso 2y ago
    The President is not some automaton who has to keep departments running because Congress created the department. He has lots of leeway and decision making power. In this case, ED was not completely shut down, its functions were severely reduced. Which the President has authority to do. I think shutting ED down is good. They overreached by putting their tentacles into how moral and social processes at the local school and college level were run. Good riddance. Let the states run things like the constitution intended. That's what following the constitution is about.
    - Eddy_Viscosity2 2y ago
      Running departments that congress created is exactly what executive branch's job is! That's the US system of government and very much what the constitution about. This is an overreach of presidential power and anyone who cares about law and order should oppose it. If you want the ED shut down, then get congress to do it. Republicans control both houses, so why not do it the legal way?
      - kelipso 2y ago
        The way the run the departments is up to the President is my point. Here, the President decided it would be best to cut down the ED as much as possible. Doing it via Congress would in all likelihood be impossible, Congress cannot get anything done these days, so the best way to get it done is via executive order.
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        Eddy_Viscosity2 2y ago
        He's said publicly, more than once, that he intends to shut it down. This is not a case of the president working within the leeway of his office and making small changes. He said he was going to shut it down and then made actions to do just that. It is an overreach of presential power. Congress not working well is not an excuse, any more than robbing someone is ok because you needed cash and the lineup for the bank was too long. The ends don't justify the means.
        kelipso 2y ago
        This is part of what he was directly elected to do, and he is doing what he can with the powers he has to do what he was elected to do. Everyone knows Congress won’t get it done, so good governance would be to route around Congress to do it, and so it’s a good excuse.
        2y ago

aleksjess 2y ago

> now it's time to let America try out what it excells at, a free market implementation I sure hope it will figure it out better than free-market healthcare, or energy distribution (look Texas).

aleksjess 2y ago
In all seriousness, how do you see this going down?
- atmavatar 2y ago
  The Republican dream for education has been to introduce vouchers so the wealthy can get a big break off their private schooling costs while simultaneously draining tax dollars out of the public education system. Ultimately, it will either force the public school system to start charging fees or close shop in favor of private alternatives, and the vouchers will inevitably fall short of the total cost presented to parents, ensuring the poor lose access to education entirely.
  - ohnoitsahuman 2y ago
    Public schools are so good that nobody would use their vouchers for private school. Right?
    - foogazi 2y ago
      Private schools already exist, why does private enterprise need the government’s help ? Besides people already pay for public schools all the time by moving to an area with “good schools”. So the answer is to adequately fund public schools. It’s a distributive effect of the social safety net
      - kelipso 2y ago
        Currently, your property tax (well, the property tax of everyone in your administrative district) pays for your local public schools. Consider this as school tuition. But this disincentives people from sending their kids to private schools since they would then be paying tuition twice, once via property tax to the local public school and second to the private school. One solution is school vouchers where you use the property tax money for the private school tuition. Makes the public schools compete fairly with the private schools and allows not so well off folks to send their kids to private schools if they want. Should I as a parent be forced to send my kids to a shitty school because of where I am residing and my lack of wealth?