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Of course, there's no need to "demand" something that is already given. We have free speech rights here, no matter what Vance or Musk say. Also, calling someon

by sham1 2y ago

Of course, there's no need to "demand" something that is already given. We have free speech rights here, no matter what Vance or Musk say. Also, calling someone else's point "sophistry" is not exactly nice, and one should instead assume good faith.

cryptonector 2y ago
> Of course, there's no need to "demand" something that is already given. We have free speech rights here, no matter what Vance or Musk say. People in Europe, and especially the UK, are absolutely being imprisoned for speech that in the U.S. is protected speech. You can argue about degrees of free speech if you like, but the fact remains that we have a great deal more legal protections for political (and other) speech in the U.S. than in Europe.
- lores 2y ago
  Except if you badmouth Trump at an airport, obviously. Or represent his opponent in court. Or advocate for Palestine. Or refuse to say "Gulf of America". Or peacefully protest. Or generally say anything he doesn't like. But apart from that, yes, free speech!
  - chrisco255 2y ago
    You don't actually know what the texts said. There's been a great deal of conjecture with no actual confirmation. Maybe there's something else here and the media is just running with a narrative. Maybe the CBP is being overzealous and needs to be reigned in. Either way, applications for visas do not have to be accepted. Americans talk crap about Trump and Biden and every other leader in this country. Here you are doing it on a US based website. Nobody cares.
    - lores 2y ago
      Why did you choose to ignore everything else in my post, which has applied to Americans and legal residents in the last 2 weeks?
  - cryptonector 2y ago
    > Except if you badmouth Trump at an airport, obviously. The context is speech in the country you are a citizen of. I'm sure citizens of all countries can badmouth Trump at any European airport, but that's not a good test of whether citizens of a European country A have free speech rights within their own country especially when speaking against their own governments.

by sham1 2y ago

cryptonector 2y ago

> Of course, there's no need to "demand" something that is already given. We have free speech rights here, no matter what Vance or Musk say. People in Europe, and especially the UK, are absolutely being imprisoned for speech that in the U.S. is protected speech. You can argue about degrees of free speech if you like, but the fact remains that we have a great deal more legal protections for political (and other) speech in the U.S. than in Europe.

lores 2y ago
Except if you badmouth Trump at an airport, obviously. Or represent his opponent in court. Or advocate for Palestine. Or refuse to say "Gulf of America". Or peacefully protest. Or generally say anything he doesn't like. But apart from that, yes, free speech!
- chrisco255 2y ago
  You don't actually know what the texts said. There's been a great deal of conjecture with no actual confirmation. Maybe there's something else here and the media is just running with a narrative. Maybe the CBP is being overzealous and needs to be reigned in. Either way, applications for visas do not have to be accepted. Americans talk crap about Trump and Biden and every other leader in this country. Here you are doing it on a US based website. Nobody cares.
  - lores 2y ago
    Why did you choose to ignore everything else in my post, which has applied to Americans and legal residents in the last 2 weeks?
- cryptonector 2y ago
  > Except if you badmouth Trump at an airport, obviously. The context is speech in the country you are a citizen of. I'm sure citizens of all countries can badmouth Trump at any European airport, but that's not a good test of whether citizens of a European country A have free speech rights within their own country especially when speaking against their own governments.