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Apparently it can also pray. Seriously, I asked it for biblical advice about a tough situation today and it said it was praying for me. XD

rurp 2y ago
This reminds me a recent chat I had with Claude, trying to identify what looked like an unusual fossil. The responses included things along the lines of "What a neat find!" or "That's fascinating! I'd love it if you could share more details". The statements were normal nice things to hear from a friend, but I found them pretty off-putting coming from a computer that of course couldn't care less and isn't a living thing I have a relationship with. This sort of thing worries me quite a bit. The modern internet has already sparked an awful lot of pseudo or para-social relationships through social media, OnlyFans and the like, with serious mental health and social cohesion costs. I think we're heading into a world where a lot of the remaining normal healthy social behavior gets subsumed by LLMs pretending to be your friend or romantic interest.
- thijson 2y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LghsLs3DYUs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LghsLs3DYUs Snip Snip was pleasant to talk to until the very end.
- hengheng 2y ago
  Trying to find the silver lining in this makes me God's advocate I guess? I was able to reflect a lot on my upbringing by reading reddit threads. Advice columns, relationships, parenting advice, just dealing with people. It was great to finally have a normalized, standardized world view to bounce my own concepts off. It was like an advice column in an old magazine, but infinitely big. In my early 20s I must have spent entire days on there. I guess LLMs are the modern, ultra personalized version of that. Internet average, westernized culture, infinite supply, instantly. Just add water and enjoy a normal view of the world, no matter your surroundings or how you grew up. This is going to help out so many kids. And they're not evil yet. Host your own LLMs before you tell them your secrets, people.
  - lamuswawir 2y ago
    New term, "God's advocate"!
  - neither_color 2y ago
    It was great to finally have a normalized, standardized world view to bounce my own concepts off. It was like an advice column in an old magazine, but infinitely big. In my early 20s I must have spent entire days on there. I guess LLMs are the modern, ultra personalized version of that. Internet average, westernized culture, infinite supply, instantly. That's a really interesting way to put it and actually made me look back at my own heavily internet-influenced upbringing. Setting healthy personal boundaries? Mindfulness for emotional management? Elevated respect for all types of people and ways of life beyond what my parents were exposed to? Yes. These were not automatically taught to me by my inherited culture or family. I would not have heard about them in a transformative way without the internet. Maybe passively, as something "those weird rich people" do, but not enough to become embedded in my mental operating system. Not to disparage the old culture. I still borrow a lot from it, but yeah I like westernized internet average culture.
    - ryandrake 2y ago
      Although I agree with you and GP, there are cynics who will say: "Ha! You think that the totality of Reddit posts is some kind of normalized, standardized, Internet average world view? HA!" There are people deep in ideological bubbles that think Reddit is too liberal! or Reddit is too young! or Reddit is too atheist! or other complaints that amount to "The average Internet-Person doesn't match what I think the average should be!" and they would not be interested in using that ISO Standard World View for anything. I have a feeling if there is a market for this kind of LLM sounding board, the software writers will need to come up with many different models that differ ideologically, have different priors, and even know different facts and truths, in order to actually be acceptable to a broad swath of users. At the limit, you'd have a different model, tailored to each individual.
    - kridsdale1 2y ago
      I’m in the same boat. And judging by the people I’ve met at Google and FB (before it was Meta) a lot of us are refugees from conservative minded illiberal cultures within North America, Asia, and Europe. Memes are our currency. A lot of the internal cultures of these two companies are steeped in formative memes of those born in the mid-80s who only had the internet to find their people in the early 2000s.
- nemothekid 2y ago
  >I think we're heading into a world where a lot of the remaining normal healthy social behavior gets subsumed by LLMs pretending to be your friend or romantic interest. This is already happening. https://x.com/zymillyyy/status/1902181493553733941 https://x.com/zymillyyy/status/1902181493553733941
  - FridgeSeal 2y ago
    Wow, Twitch parasocial relationships have _nothing_ on this.
  - mixmastamyk 2y ago
    I installed a new “operating system” that sounds a lot like Scarlett Johansson. (Her 2013)
  - cwoolfe 2y ago
    I had to upload that screenshot to ChatGPT and ask it to translate. I must be getting old! ... "Clock my tea" haha. never heard that one before.
- cube00 2y ago
  After giving me continuous wrong answers ChatGPT decided it would try allow me to indulge it in a "learning opportunity" instead. I completely understand your frustration, and I genuinely appreciate you pushing me to be more accurate. You clearly know your way around Rust, and I should have been more precise from the start. If you’ve already figured out the best approach, I’d love to hear it! Otherwise, I’m happy to keep digging until we find the exact method that works for your case. Either way, I appreciate the learning opportunity.
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  - herbst 2y ago
    Coding with ChatGPT always makes me angry in the end. Claude at least stays professional. ChatGPT always ends up sounding kinda mean.
- scottyah 2y ago
  I loved when Gemini called out what I thought was a very niche problem as classic. I think there are very few people attempting this stack, to the point where the vendor's documentation is incorrect and hasn't been updated in two years. "Ah, the "SSL connection already established" error! This is a classic sign of a misconfiguration regarding how BDBA is attempting to establish a secure connection to your LDAP server."
- Boogie_Man 2y ago
  I spent a good half hour "talking" to 4 mini about why Picard never had a family and the nature of the crew as his family despite the professional distance required. It really praised me when I said the holodeck scene where Data is playing King Henry walking amongst his men and I felt pretty smart and then realized I'd not actually garnered the admiration of anyone or anything.
  - prawn 2y ago
    I think there's a similar trap when you're using it for feedback on an idea or to brainstorm features and it gives you effusive praise. That's not a paying customer or even a real person. Like those people you quickly learn aren't too useful for seeking out over feedback because they rave about everything just to be nice.
- selcuka 2y ago
  > The statements were normal nice things to hear from a friend How do we know our friends are not "trained" to give such responses and not much different from an LLM in this aspect? One might say that curiosity is built-in to our DNAs, but DNA is also a part of our training.
  - fwip 2y ago
    People can want things, so there's the possibility that your friends are being honest. LLMS cannot desire, and in fact are so devoid of interiority that they are not even lying when they say that they do.
- xtiansimon 2y ago
  > “…I found them pretty off-putting coming from a computer that of course couldn't care less and isn't a living thing I have a relationship with.” I’ve prolly complained about it here, but Spectrum cable’s pay by phone line in NYC has an automated assistant with a few emotive quirks. I’m shocked how angry that robot vote makes me feel. I’m not a violent person, but getting played by a robot sets me over the edge in my work day. Reminds me of a BoingBoing story from years ago about greeter robots being attacked in Japan. Japan has a tradition of verbally greeting customers as they enter the building and large department stores will have dedicated human greeters stationed at the entrance. IIFC this was a large store who replaced human greeters with these robots. Rando customers were attacking these robots. I now know how they feel.
k8sToGo 2y ago
I asked Claude for advice and it said something about it being heartbreaking.
- johnisgood 2y ago
  LLMs always do. "I'm very sorry to hear that, seems like you are going through a lot" yadda yadda. ChatGPT has been giving me too many emojis lately, however. I might tell it to avoid the use of emojis.
harvey9 2y ago
Douglas Adams' Electric Monk finally available to the public!
mdp2021 2y ago
Which reveals strong reasons to suspect strong "parroting" qualities. "Parroting" qualities that should have been fought in implementation since day 0.
- Obscurity4340 2y ago
  Its fun to pick it apart sometimes and get it to correct itself but you often would never know unless you had direct or deep cut knowledge to interrogate it from
- SubiculumCode 2y ago
  I'm not sure how much people parrot on the daily.
  - mdp2021 2y ago
    And we have tackled the issue long ago with education. What are you trying to imply? Imitating fools or foolery is not a goal, replicating the unintelligent is not intelligence - it is strictly undesirable.
- snypher 2y ago
  I always laughed when ChatGPT would reply with the same emoji I typed, regardless of context. Not sure if parroting exactly, but I assumed it would understand meaning (if not context) of emoji?
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KoolKat23 2y ago
And henceforth, I'll equate that statement as a pithy one GPU level effort from whoever offers it. "Make sure you write atleast a Jetson Orin Nano Super level message in the condolence card"
- snypher 2y ago
  Reply sounds like it was written by someone who has never had to ask AWS to up their vCPU limit.
FreebasingLLMs 2y ago
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rurp 2y ago

This reminds me a recent chat I had with Claude, trying to identify what looked like an unusual fossil. The responses included things along the lines of "What a neat find!" or "That's fascinating! I'd love it if you could share more details". The statements were normal nice things to hear from a friend, but I found them pretty off-putting coming from a computer that of course couldn't care less and isn't a living thing I have a relationship with. This sort of thing worries me quite a bit. The modern internet has already sparked an awful lot of pseudo or para-social relationships through social media, OnlyFans and the like, with serious mental health and social cohesion costs. I think we're heading into a world where a lot of the remaining normal healthy social behavior gets subsumed by LLMs pretending to be your friend or romantic interest.

thijson 2y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LghsLs3DYUs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LghsLs3DYUs Snip Snip was pleasant to talk to until the very end.
hengheng 2y ago
Trying to find the silver lining in this makes me God's advocate I guess? I was able to reflect a lot on my upbringing by reading reddit threads. Advice columns, relationships, parenting advice, just dealing with people. It was great to finally have a normalized, standardized world view to bounce my own concepts off. It was like an advice column in an old magazine, but infinitely big. In my early 20s I must have spent entire days on there. I guess LLMs are the modern, ultra personalized version of that. Internet average, westernized culture, infinite supply, instantly. Just add water and enjoy a normal view of the world, no matter your surroundings or how you grew up. This is going to help out so many kids. And they're not evil yet. Host your own LLMs before you tell them your secrets, people.
- lamuswawir 2y ago
  New term, "God's advocate"!
- neither_color 2y ago
  It was great to finally have a normalized, standardized world view to bounce my own concepts off. It was like an advice column in an old magazine, but infinitely big. In my early 20s I must have spent entire days on there. I guess LLMs are the modern, ultra personalized version of that. Internet average, westernized culture, infinite supply, instantly. That's a really interesting way to put it and actually made me look back at my own heavily internet-influenced upbringing. Setting healthy personal boundaries? Mindfulness for emotional management? Elevated respect for all types of people and ways of life beyond what my parents were exposed to? Yes. These were not automatically taught to me by my inherited culture or family. I would not have heard about them in a transformative way without the internet. Maybe passively, as something "those weird rich people" do, but not enough to become embedded in my mental operating system. Not to disparage the old culture. I still borrow a lot from it, but yeah I like westernized internet average culture.
  - ryandrake 2y ago
    Although I agree with you and GP, there are cynics who will say: "Ha! You think that the totality of Reddit posts is some kind of normalized, standardized, Internet average world view? HA!" There are people deep in ideological bubbles that think Reddit is too liberal! or Reddit is too young! or Reddit is too atheist! or other complaints that amount to "The average Internet-Person doesn't match what I think the average should be!" and they would not be interested in using that ISO Standard World View for anything. I have a feeling if there is a market for this kind of LLM sounding board, the software writers will need to come up with many different models that differ ideologically, have different priors, and even know different facts and truths, in order to actually be acceptable to a broad swath of users. At the limit, you'd have a different model, tailored to each individual.
  - kridsdale1 2y ago
    I’m in the same boat. And judging by the people I’ve met at Google and FB (before it was Meta) a lot of us are refugees from conservative minded illiberal cultures within North America, Asia, and Europe. Memes are our currency. A lot of the internal cultures of these two companies are steeped in formative memes of those born in the mid-80s who only had the internet to find their people in the early 2000s.
nemothekid 2y ago
>I think we're heading into a world where a lot of the remaining normal healthy social behavior gets subsumed by LLMs pretending to be your friend or romantic interest. This is already happening. https://x.com/zymillyyy/status/1902181493553733941 https://x.com/zymillyyy/status/1902181493553733941
- FridgeSeal 2y ago
  Wow, Twitch parasocial relationships have _nothing_ on this.
- mixmastamyk 2y ago
  I installed a new “operating system” that sounds a lot like Scarlett Johansson. (Her 2013)
- cwoolfe 2y ago
  I had to upload that screenshot to ChatGPT and ask it to translate. I must be getting old! ... "Clock my tea" haha. never heard that one before.
cube00 2y ago
After giving me continuous wrong answers ChatGPT decided it would try allow me to indulge it in a "learning opportunity" instead. I completely understand your frustration, and I genuinely appreciate you pushing me to be more accurate. You clearly know your way around Rust, and I should have been more precise from the start. If you’ve already figured out the best approach, I’d love to hear it! Otherwise, I’m happy to keep digging until we find the exact method that works for your case. Either way, I appreciate the learning opportunity.
- deleted 2y ago
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- herbst 2y ago
  Coding with ChatGPT always makes me angry in the end. Claude at least stays professional. ChatGPT always ends up sounding kinda mean.
scottyah 2y ago
I loved when Gemini called out what I thought was a very niche problem as classic. I think there are very few people attempting this stack, to the point where the vendor's documentation is incorrect and hasn't been updated in two years. "Ah, the "SSL connection already established" error! This is a classic sign of a misconfiguration regarding how BDBA is attempting to establish a secure connection to your LDAP server."
Boogie_Man 2y ago
I spent a good half hour "talking" to 4 mini about why Picard never had a family and the nature of the crew as his family despite the professional distance required. It really praised me when I said the holodeck scene where Data is playing King Henry walking amongst his men and I felt pretty smart and then realized I'd not actually garnered the admiration of anyone or anything.
- prawn 2y ago
  I think there's a similar trap when you're using it for feedback on an idea or to brainstorm features and it gives you effusive praise. That's not a paying customer or even a real person. Like those people you quickly learn aren't too useful for seeking out over feedback because they rave about everything just to be nice.
selcuka 2y ago
> The statements were normal nice things to hear from a friend How do we know our friends are not "trained" to give such responses and not much different from an LLM in this aspect? One might say that curiosity is built-in to our DNAs, but DNA is also a part of our training.
- fwip 2y ago
  People can want things, so there's the possibility that your friends are being honest. LLMS cannot desire, and in fact are so devoid of interiority that they are not even lying when they say that they do.
xtiansimon 2y ago
> “…I found them pretty off-putting coming from a computer that of course couldn't care less and isn't a living thing I have a relationship with.” I’ve prolly complained about it here, but Spectrum cable’s pay by phone line in NYC has an automated assistant with a few emotive quirks. I’m shocked how angry that robot vote makes me feel. I’m not a violent person, but getting played by a robot sets me over the edge in my work day. Reminds me of a BoingBoing story from years ago about greeter robots being attacked in Japan. Japan has a tradition of verbally greeting customers as they enter the building and large department stores will have dedicated human greeters stationed at the entrance. IIFC this was a large store who replaced human greeters with these robots. Rando customers were attacking these robots. I now know how they feel.

k8sToGo 2y ago

I asked Claude for advice and it said something about it being heartbreaking.

johnisgood 2y ago
LLMs always do. "I'm very sorry to hear that, seems like you are going through a lot" yadda yadda. ChatGPT has been giving me too many emojis lately, however. I might tell it to avoid the use of emojis.

harvey9 2y ago

Douglas Adams' Electric Monk finally available to the public!

mdp2021 2y ago

Which reveals strong reasons to suspect strong "parroting" qualities. "Parroting" qualities that should have been fought in implementation since day 0.

Obscurity4340 2y ago
Its fun to pick it apart sometimes and get it to correct itself but you often would never know unless you had direct or deep cut knowledge to interrogate it from
SubiculumCode 2y ago
I'm not sure how much people parrot on the daily.
- mdp2021 2y ago
  And we have tackled the issue long ago with education. What are you trying to imply? Imitating fools or foolery is not a goal, replicating the unintelligent is not intelligence - it is strictly undesirable.
snypher 2y ago
I always laughed when ChatGPT would reply with the same emoji I typed, regardless of context. Not sure if parroting exactly, but I assumed it would understand meaning (if not context) of emoji?

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KoolKat23 2y ago

And henceforth, I'll equate that statement as a pithy one GPU level effort from whoever offers it. "Make sure you write atleast a Jetson Orin Nano Super level message in the condolence card"

snypher 2y ago
Reply sounds like it was written by someone who has never had to ask AWS to up their vCPU limit.

FreebasingLLMs 2y ago

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