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You can’t sue for false information. You also can’t sue for defamation, since everything ChatGPT says is prefaced by this can be false. This would hold true fo

by fny 2y ago

You can’t sue for false information. You also can’t sue for defamation, since everything ChatGPT says is prefaced by this can be false. This would hold true for a person. Maybe you can sue based on a GDPR complaint. And you’re acknowledging my point: AI is like your drunk friend in a bar, so you shouldn’t trust it for mission critical use cases.

ktallett 2y ago
Huh? I didn't say you could sue ChatGPT. Although I expect it's more nuanced than your view. I think the key point is that it's shown it's far less useful than just learning how to do things.
fzeroracer 2y ago
> You also can’t sue for defamation, since everything ChatGPT says is prefaced by this can be false. This would hold true for a person. No? In many countries simply going 'it was a joke' or 'I was simply lying' isn't a defense for defamation. Even here in the US in particularly exceptional circumstances it's not a defense (see: Alex Jones). The outcome is likely to be that companies are going to be held liable for what their models say. Much like how Air Canada was ordered to pay up after their chatbot lied.
- kmoser 2y ago
  There's a difference between spewing falsehoods for extended periods of time and then trying to excuse it with "I was joking/lying" (essentially Jones' position), and making caveats immediately before and after each falsehood to clarify the entire time that you're joking (stand-up comics' standard MO). With the right caveats, e.g. a large disclaimer emitted before and after each response, ChatGPT should be able to get away with spewing complete BS. At that point, the onus is on anybody who trusts it.
  - ktallett 2y ago
    A disclaimer doesn't remove someone's rights such as gdpr or the right to be forgotten. If the same output happens over a period of time, it's no longer a one off.
  - Nullabillity 2y ago
    When OpenAI (and co)'s whole business model is built around everyone ignoring those disclaimers... then the courts probably should, as well. In fact, I'm more interested in why they're allowed to hide behind that defense at all anymore.
lxgr 2y ago
Legal life hack: You can absolutely sue people in many situations, even if they conspicuously post a sign that says "we don't take responsibility for our actions".
- Terr_ 2y ago
  What, you mean microscopic fine-print inside the period at the end of the contract doesn't count? A contract of my immortal soul for a nickel would be unconscionably unenforceable? Everything I learned from Looney Tunes was a lie!? :p P.S. I fear that a large number of people do believe that reality matches dramatizations. If I had my 'druthers, some basic How Contracts Work would be part of the US high-school curriculum, along with Debts, Compound Interest, and Taxes.
- consteval 2y ago
  Yes, and this goes for a lot of things. You can sue even if the other person was really clever. I mean, these are like, 12 year old boy logic. "Ahh I'm not touching you!" while they wave their hand in your face. That doesn't fly in the legal world. Also, just because you sign a contract doesn't mean you can't sue either. You can! Many, maybe most, contracts are invalid. You can't just write down whatever and make the other person do it. You can fight non-competes, NDAs, you name it. Also, if you got fired for "performance" (air quotes) that doesn't mean you can't sue. You can! Most discrimination cases occur when someone is fired for "performance". HR isn't stupid.

by fny 2y ago

ktallett 2y ago

Huh? I didn't say you could sue ChatGPT. Although I expect it's more nuanced than your view. I think the key point is that it's shown it's far less useful than just learning how to do things.

fzeroracer 2y ago

> You also can’t sue for defamation, since everything ChatGPT says is prefaced by this can be false. This would hold true for a person. No? In many countries simply going 'it was a joke' or 'I was simply lying' isn't a defense for defamation. Even here in the US in particularly exceptional circumstances it's not a defense (see: Alex Jones). The outcome is likely to be that companies are going to be held liable for what their models say. Much like how Air Canada was ordered to pay up after their chatbot lied.

kmoser 2y ago
There's a difference between spewing falsehoods for extended periods of time and then trying to excuse it with "I was joking/lying" (essentially Jones' position), and making caveats immediately before and after each falsehood to clarify the entire time that you're joking (stand-up comics' standard MO). With the right caveats, e.g. a large disclaimer emitted before and after each response, ChatGPT should be able to get away with spewing complete BS. At that point, the onus is on anybody who trusts it.
- ktallett 2y ago
  A disclaimer doesn't remove someone's rights such as gdpr or the right to be forgotten. If the same output happens over a period of time, it's no longer a one off.
- Nullabillity 2y ago
  When OpenAI (and co)'s whole business model is built around everyone ignoring those disclaimers... then the courts probably should, as well. In fact, I'm more interested in why they're allowed to hide behind that defense at all anymore.

lxgr 2y ago

Legal life hack: You can absolutely sue people in many situations, even if they conspicuously post a sign that says "we don't take responsibility for our actions".

Terr_ 2y ago
What, you mean microscopic fine-print inside the period at the end of the contract doesn't count? A contract of my immortal soul for a nickel would be unconscionably unenforceable? Everything I learned from Looney Tunes was a lie!? :p P.S. I fear that a large number of people do believe that reality matches dramatizations. If I had my 'druthers, some basic How Contracts Work would be part of the US high-school curriculum, along with Debts, Compound Interest, and Taxes.
consteval 2y ago
Yes, and this goes for a lot of things. You can sue even if the other person was really clever. I mean, these are like, 12 year old boy logic. "Ahh I'm not touching you!" while they wave their hand in your face. That doesn't fly in the legal world. Also, just because you sign a contract doesn't mean you can't sue either. You can! Many, maybe most, contracts are invalid. You can't just write down whatever and make the other person do it. You can fight non-competes, NDAs, you name it. Also, if you got fired for "performance" (air quotes) that doesn't mean you can't sue. You can! Most discrimination cases occur when someone is fired for "performance". HR isn't stupid.