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If I'm reading the pricing correctly, these models are SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than ElevenLabs. https://platform.openai.com/docs/pricing https://platform.openai.
by benjismith 2y ago
If I'm reading the pricing correctly, these models are SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than ElevenLabs.
https://platform.openai.com/docs/pricing https://platform.openai.com/docs/pricing
If these are the "gpt-4o-mini-tts" models, and if the pricing estimate of "$0.015 per minute" of audio is correct, then these prices 85% cheaper than those of ElevenLabs.
https://elevenlabs.io/pricing https://elevenlabs.io/pricing
With ElevenLabs, if I choose their most cost-effectuve "Business" plan for $1100 per month (with annual billing of $13,200, a savings of 17% over monthly billing), then I get 11,000 minutes TTS, and each minute is billed at 10 cents.
With OpenAI, I could get 11,000 minutes of TTS for $165.
Somebody check my math... Is this right?
- fixprix 2y agoIt looks like they are targeting Google's TTS price point which is $16 per million characters which comes out to $0.015/minute.
- lukebuehler 2y agoyes, I think you are right. When I did the math on 11labs million chars I got the same numbers (Pro plan). I'm super happy about this, since I took a bet that exactly this would happen. I've just been building a consumer TTS app that could only work with significant cheaper TTS prices per million character (or self-hosted models)
- benjismith 2y agoSame for me :)
- zacmps 2y agoWhat does it do?
- lukebuehler 2y agoConvert any file (pdf, epub, txt) to an audoibook, downloadable as mp3, or directly listenable via RSS feed in, say, Apple Potcasts app. Basically make one-off audiobooks for yourself or a few friends.
- setsewerd 2y agoAny plans to make a Chrome extension variant? Been looking for a high quality and cheap TTS extension for ages (like ElevenLabs Human Reader, except with less absurd pricing)
- dockerd 2y agoWhat is your use-case here?
- setsewerd 2y agoPrimarily for reading articles aloud online. I've been trying the latest Siri TTS which is a big improvement (and free), but it's still nowhere near accurate enough for proper nouns or newer terms, which ElevenLabs handles much better.
- lukebuehler 2y agoI din't think of that, interesting idea. What I'm focusing right now is long-form content for more offline-ish listening, but maybe a plugin could work to load longer texts, but I'm not working on a screen reader atm.
- wholinator2 2y agoDo you know if there's any offerings today that can read math? Like speak an equation the way a human would? It's something I've been thinking about a long time and would be an essential feature for me (the only things i read are physics)
- tough 2y agoI saw a small model trained on outputting currency aware text from decimals/integers i wonder if you could make a similar -narrow- lora finetune to train a model to output human readable text from say latext formulas with a good data set to train on
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- lherron 2y agoKokoro TTS is pretty good for open source. Worth checking out.
- lukebuehler 2y agoYes, kokoro is great, and the language flexibility is a huge plus too. And the best prices per character is for sure if you self-host.
- stavros 2y agoOh man, they have the "Sky" voice, and it seems to be the same one that OpenAI had but then removed? Not sure how that's possible, but I'm very happy about it.
- diggan 2y ago> Not sure how that's possible Download bunch of movies Scarlet Johansen been in, segment into audio clips where she talks and train the model :)
- stavros 2y agoIs it actually her? I didn't think it was, but maybe.
- diggan 2y agoUnless there is some leak from OpenAI, I'm not sure we'll ever have it confirmed yes or no. But my brain thought it was Johansen from the first few seconds I heard the voice and I don't seem to be alone with that reaction. The fact that they removed the voice also speaks to it to have been trained on her voice. Listening to it again today with fresher ears (the original OpenAI Sky, not the clones elsewhere), I still hear Johansen as the underlying voice actor for it, but maybe there is some subconscious bias I'm unable to bypass.
- stavros 2y ago
- echelon 2y agoElevenLabs is incredibly over-priced and that's how they were able to achieve the MRR that led to their incredible fundraising. No matter what happens, they'll eventually be undercut and matched in terms of quality. It'll be a race to the bottom for them too. ElevenLabs is going to have a tough time. They've been way too expensive.
- MrAssisted 2y agoI hope they find a more unique product offering that takes hold. Everybody thinks of them as text-to-speech but I use ElevenLabs exclusively for speech-to-speech for vtubing as my AI character. They're kind of the only game in town for doing super high quality speech-to-speech (unless someone here has an alternative which I'd LOVE to know about). I've tried https://github.com/w-okada/voice-changer https://github.com/w-okada/voice-changer which is great because it's real-time but the quality is enough of a step down that actual words I'm saying become unclear and difficult to understand. Also with that I am tied to using my RTX 3090 desktop vs ElevenLabs which I can do in the cloud from my laptop anywhere. I'm pretty much dependent on ElevenLabs to do my vtubing at this point but I can't imagine speech-to-speech has wide adoption so I don't know if they'll even keep it around.
- eob 2y agoAre you comfortable sharing the video & lip-sync stack you use? I don't know anything about the space but am curious to check out what's possible these days.
- MrAssisted 2y agoFor my last video I used https://github.com/warmshao/FasterLivePortrait https://github.com/warmshao/FasterLivePortrait with a png of the character on my RTX 3090 desktop and recorded the output of that real-time but in the next video I'm going to spin up a runpod instance and do the FasterLivePortrait in the cloud after the fact because then I can get a smooth 60fps which looks better. I think the only real-time cloud way to do AI vtubing in the cloud is my own GenDJ project (fork of https://github.com/kylemcdonald/i2i-realtime https://github.com/kylemcdonald/i2i-realtime but tweaked for cloud real-time) but that just doesn't look remotely as good as LivePortrait. Somebody needs to rip out and replace insightface in FasterLivePortait (it's prohibited for commercial use) and fork https://github.com/GenDJ https://github.com/GenDJ to have the runpod it spins up run the de-insightfaced LivePortrait instead of i2i-realtime. I'll probably get around to doing that in the next few months if nobody else does and nothing else comes along and makes LivePortrait obsolete (both are big ifs). AIWarper recently released a simpler way to run FasterLivePortrait for vtubing purposes https://huggingface.co/AIWarper/WarpTuber https://huggingface.co/AIWarper/WarpTuber but I haven't tried it yet because I already have my own working setup and as I mentioned I'm shifting my workload for that to the cloud anyways
- forgotpasagain 2y agoAlmost everyone is cheaper than ElevenLabs though.
- kuprel 2y agoOpenAI doesn’t have voice cloning
- dannyw 2y agoThey do, they just don’t offer it.
- tiahura 2y agoYou missed the story: https://community.openai.com/t/chatgpt-unexpectedly-began-speaking-in-a-user-s-cloned-voice-during-testing/902433 https://community.openai.com/t/chatgpt-unexpectedly-began-sp... ChatGPT unexpectedly began speaking in a user’s cloned voice during testing
- youssefabdelm 2y agoDef prefer the pricing but so far on 4o, no timestamps or diarization sadly
- whimsicalism 2y agoSesame is free and pretty good and you can run it yourself.
- kuprel 2y agoThey released a crippled model: https://github.com/SesameAILabs/csm/issues/63 https://github.com/SesameAILabs/csm/issues/63
- hnhn34 2y agoThe good news is Orpheus-3B just made Sesame essentially obsolete.
- Foreignborn 2y agothanks for this, it sounds pretty good. link for anyone else: https://canopylabs.ai/model-releases https://canopylabs.ai/model-releases
- sandspar 2y agoThese voices are all annoying, though. The thing about Sesame's Miles is that he's cool.
- satvikpendem 2y agoYou can clone any voice you want with Orpheus.
- whimsicalism 2y agoadmittedly i only tested it for a few queries, but it worked fine for me except for lack of consistency in voice
- furyofantares 2y agoIt's way cheaper - everyone is, elevenlabs is very expensive. Nobody matches their quality though. Especially if you want something that doesn't sound like a voice assistant/audiobook/podcast/news anchor/tv announcer. This openai offering is very interesting, it offers valuable features elevenlabs doesn't in emotional control. It also hallucinates though which would need to be fixed for it to be very useful.
- camillomiller 2y agoIt's cheap because everything OpenAI does is subsidized by investors' money. Until that stupid money flows all good! Then either they'll go the way of WeWork, or enshittification will happen to make it possible for them to make the books work. I don't see any other option. Unless Softbank decides it has some 150 Billion to squander on buying them off. There's a lot of head-in-the-sand behavior going on around OpenAI fundamentals and I don't understand exactly why it's not more in the open yet.
- ImprobableTruth 2y agoIf you compare with e.g. Deepseek and other hosters, you'll find that OpenAI is actually almost certainly charging very high margins (Deepseek has an 80% profit margin and they're 10x cheaper than openai). The training/R&D might make OpenAI burn VC cash, but this isn't comparable with companies like WeWork whose products actively burn cash
- camillomiller 2y agoThey said themselves that even inference is losing them money tho, or did I get that wrong?
- ImprobableTruth 2y agoOn their subscriptions, specifically the pro subscription, because it's a flatrate to their most expensive model. The API prices are all much more expensive. It's unclear whether they're losing money on the normal subscriptions, but if so, probably not by much. Though it's definitely closer to what you described, subsidizing it to gain 'mindshare' or whatever.
- huijzer 2y agoYes ElevenLabs is orders of magnitude more expensive than everyone else. Very clever from a business perspective, I think. They are (were?) the best so know that people will pay a premium for that.
- internet101010 2y agoYeah the way I see it this is where we find the value of customization. We are already seeing its use by YouTube video essay creators who turn their own voice into models. I want to see corporate executives get on board so that we can finally ditch the god awful phone quality in earnings calls.
- com2kid 2y agoElevenlabs is an ecosystem play. They have hundreds of different voices, legally licensed from real people who chose to upload their voice. It is a marketplace of voices. None of the other major players is trying to do that, not sure why.
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- SXX 2y agoGoing with this would mean AI companies suppose to pay for something like voices or other training data. It's far better to just steal it all and ask government for exception.
- oidar 2y agoElevenLabs is the only one offering speech to speech generation where the intonation, prosody, and timing is kept intact. This allows for one expressive voice actor to slip into many other voices.
- goshx 2y agoOpenAI’s Realtime speech to speech is far superior than ElevenLabs.
- noahlt 2y agoWhat ElevenLabs and OpenAI call “speech to speech” are completely different. ElevenLabs’ takes as input audio of speech and maps it to a new speech audio that sounds like a different speaker said it, but with the exact same intonation. OpenAI’s is an end-to-end multimodal conversational model that listens to a user speaking and responds in audio.
- goshx 2y agoI see now. Thank you for clarifying. I thought this about ElevenLabs Conversational API.