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How can there be mass layoffs and "worker shortages" at the same time? IMO we should suspend H1-B for the time being. Exceptional talent can still be brought in

by ein0p 2y ago

How can there be mass layoffs and "worker shortages" at the same time? IMO we should suspend H1-B for the time being. Exceptional talent can still be brought in via O-1.

jltsiren 2y ago
Talent is a wrong dimension. Plenty of roles require specific skills, knowledge, and experience, which are not readily available in the market. You could in principle take someone with sufficient talent and train them, but it could take years for them to reach the point where they can start working in the role. O-1 is not the right answer. The actual criteria are based on substantial achievements, which are yet another dimension.
- ein0p 2y ago
  Has anyone even attempted to study whether that's the situation we're in? Or are we further destroying the low end of the labor market to make the rich even richer? The latter seems vastly more likely. Expensive, local labor, folks, is how you "tax the rich" and "fix inequality".
duxup 2y ago
"There's a worker shortage ... at the price I'm willing to pay and I want to be able to hold them to this job or they have to leave the country..." I suspect it is that kind of "shortage".
eru 2y ago
You seem to be under the impression that 'those foreigner are stealing our jobs'? You also seem to be under the impression that workers are interchangeable?
- ein0p 2y ago
  You seem to be under impression you can read other people's mind. You can't.
  - eru 2y ago
    Well, you seem to suggest that tightening the existing restrictions that all but ban Americans from hiring foreigners will somehow help with layoffs?
    - ein0p 2y ago
      It is already the law of the land that Americans must take priority if they are qualified for the job. This is not enforced (primarily because businesses benefit for cheaper labor), but enforcement should be strengthened, IMO. And until it is, we need to stop issuing new H1-Bs. That's all I'm saying, really.
      - eru 2y ago
        Why 'should'? Just because it's the law of the land, doesn't mean it's a good idea.
        ein0p 2y ago
        Because it's the law of the land, and as such it needs to be enforced. And it is a good idea, too.

by ein0p 2y ago

How can there be mass layoffs and "worker shortages" at the same time? IMO we should suspend H1-B for the time being. Exceptional talent can still be brought in via O-1.

jltsiren 2y ago

Talent is a wrong dimension. Plenty of roles require specific skills, knowledge, and experience, which are not readily available in the market. You could in principle take someone with sufficient talent and train them, but it could take years for them to reach the point where they can start working in the role. O-1 is not the right answer. The actual criteria are based on substantial achievements, which are yet another dimension.

ein0p 2y ago
Has anyone even attempted to study whether that's the situation we're in? Or are we further destroying the low end of the labor market to make the rich even richer? The latter seems vastly more likely. Expensive, local labor, folks, is how you "tax the rich" and "fix inequality".

duxup 2y ago

"There's a worker shortage ... at the price I'm willing to pay and I want to be able to hold them to this job or they have to leave the country..." I suspect it is that kind of "shortage".

eru 2y ago

You seem to be under the impression that 'those foreigner are stealing our jobs'? You also seem to be under the impression that workers are interchangeable?

ein0p 2y ago
You seem to be under impression you can read other people's mind. You can't.
- eru 2y ago
  Well, you seem to suggest that tightening the existing restrictions that all but ban Americans from hiring foreigners will somehow help with layoffs?
  - ein0p 2y ago
    It is already the law of the land that Americans must take priority if they are qualified for the job. This is not enforced (primarily because businesses benefit for cheaper labor), but enforcement should be strengthened, IMO. And until it is, we need to stop issuing new H1-Bs. That's all I'm saying, really.
    - eru 2y ago
      Why 'should'? Just because it's the law of the land, doesn't mean it's a good idea.
      - ein0p 2y ago
        Because it's the law of the land, and as such it needs to be enforced. And it is a good idea, too.