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I was waiting to respond until I saw this reported from a source like Reuters. This is very scary. I’m an American community college instructor in Silicon Val
by linguae 2y ago
I was waiting to respond until I saw this reported from a source like Reuters.
This is very scary. I’m an American community college instructor in Silicon Valley who does research with domestic and international colleagues; in fact, I will be in Japan this summer as a visiting researcher. If people could be denied entry to the United States over harmless political opinions shared electronically, then this hurts our ability to collaborate in-person with foreign researchers in the United States, and this also hurts our ability to hold academic conferences here.
It’s one thing if the scientist made threats or advocated overthrow; that is not protected free speech. But if it’s just an opinion or even name-calling, then this denial of entry is flatly wrong and flatly un-American.
Perhaps it’s time for prominent US academic conferences with international attendees to move to Canada, France, Japan, or some other place where scientists and science in general are not under attack by their government.
- klipt 2y agoI'm curious what the line is. If someone says "Trump is violating the constitution and should be impeached", is that advocating overthrow? Or just suggesting a way to work within the system? If someone says "presidential democracies are historically unstable, the US would do better under a parliamentary system" is that advocating overthrow? When Trump said "Proud Boys stand back and stand by" was he advocating overthrow?
- goatlover 2y agoI would say Trump should be removed from office before he does too much damage to US democracy, peacefully if possible. I'm not advocating anything other than protecting the Constitution, and there are two other branches of government that can act to protect it.
- chrisco255 2y agoIt was Biden that damaged the democracy by allowing unchecked, unlimited immigration into the country, even going as far as to subsidize and pay for accommodations in luxury hotels in NYC. No country can stand on that kind of policy for long. No country in history ever has.
- goatlover 2y agoImmigrants are a boogeyman. The US is a massive country with a huge economy. Most of them are seeking better opportunities by doing jobs Americans don't want to do. There have always been waves of immigrants since the US was founded. And it's not true that Biden allowed unlimited immigration. At any rate, this is just a distraction from how the Trump administration has been seeking to consolidate executive power unconstitutionally since taking office a 2nd time.
- chrisco255 2y ago> Most of them are seeking better opportunities by doing jobs Americans don't want to do No, there are no jobs Americans don't want to do. As you say, its a massive country with 300 million people, there's a diverse set of skills and labor pool here. They just want market-level wages to do them. There's been migration, it's been largely controlled migration for the past 120 years, with no expectation that migrants would be subsidized and provided with shelter, cell phones, etc. or that we'd allow gangs from Venezuela to establish footholds and allow human and drug trafficking to pass through completely unchecked. There is nothing Trump has done that any previous president hasn't already done. Presidents have a lot of power under the Constitution and even more that Congress has delegated to them over the years.
- klipt 2y agoDidn't the democrat legislators write a border security bill, but republican legislators shut it down because they wanted to campaign on lack of border security, which they couldn't do if they actually did their job and passed a bill to fix it? > There is nothing Trump has done that any previous president hasn't already done. How many presidents managed to crash a booming economy in just a few months?
- dc396 2y agoBiden, of course, didn't allow "unchecked, unlimited immigration into the country" and the accommodations used were not "luxury hotels". These anti-immigration talking points have been repeatedly shown to simply be lies. If you want actual data to attribute blame, see https://www.cato.org/commentary/trumps-immigration-policies-made-america-less-safe-heres-data https://www.cato.org/commentary/trumps-immigration-policies-... and recall how Trump caused a bipartisan effort to actually try to fix the immigration mess to collapse.
- joshuaheard 2y agoI have not seen what he actually said. However, the agency is quoted in the article saying it wasn't "political". I also saw in another article that it involved "terrorism". Since Trump has had two assassination attempts, they have heightened scrutiny. As long as you don't advocate for violence, I'm sure you're fine.
- ashleyn 2y agoHas anyone checked the scientist's social media? Border agencies are known to monitor social media. If he did something like, say, express sympathy for Luigi Mangione or Tesla vandals, this would definitely dovetail with a "terrorism" rejection.
- goatlover 2y agoI don't understand how Tesla vandalism rises to the level of terrorism. It's protest in the form of vandalism. But this administration wants to misclassify any resistance.
- joshuaheard 2y agoProtest in the form of vandalism is terrorism. You have a First Amendment right to speech, but not to violence and destruction. The FBI defines terrorism as: "Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature." Clearly, criminal trespass on someone's Tesla to discourage Elon Musk from taking actions against your ideological goals falls within that category.
- goatlover 2y agoI'd like to hear what a judge has to say about those definitions. Spray painting a wall could be considered terrorism under that definition
- jlebar 2y ago
- oceanhaiyang 2y agoWe just went to China and had zero issue coming back, if it offers any consolation.
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